Shuttle America cAPT. has no BALLS

[ual321]

IND-ORD Flt.7637 7-8-08.

Having the gate agent do your dirty work (UAL jumpseat denials) is priceless.

Do you not have the BALLS to do it yourself, face to face cAPT?

Good luck with that jumpseat war.

 

[FSIGRAD]

No one at Shuttle is supposed to be refusing jumpseats. If that actually happened please forward it to your JS coordinator our JS committee would love to hear about it.

 

[s.o.sJTB]

There shouldnt be any denial unless UAL gets the problem fixed before Aug 1st. You should be only getting a letter with your jumpseat request stating the problem from the Captain.

 

[whatitdoing?]

Sorry, what's the deal?

 

[Minimaniac]

No balls and no brains. Jumpseat denials are NOT the current protocol for dealing with UA mainline. If this captain was denying the jumpseat for that reason, he is yet another embarrassing pilot who choses not to educate himself fully before playing captain.

However, if the jumpseat was deferred due to oxygen or headset issues, then there is no problem. And likewise, a captain on a quick turn has better things to do than go up and apologize to every jumpseater for our broken equipment. Utilizing a gate agent is appropriate in such a situation.

There are at least two sides to every story... did you bother finding out any of them before posting here? If the answer is yes, then please include more specifics so that the issue can be properly dealt with. You gave flight info, but no account of why the jumpseat was denied.

 

[OzBushWhacker]

UPS pilots sure are getting big heads these days.

 

[Captain Morgan]

...And, why are UPS pilots concerning themselves with United Express/Mainline business. Isn't working for Brown enough fun, you've gotta spread rumors and tell half truths on the regional board. Seriously, as said before, there are two sides to the story. Find out the other side and then report back.

 

[relief tube]

.......and bitter ex-UAL pilot has no specifics.

ya gonna give us any details? You're not doing a very good job making us believe you seeing you don't tell us what happened.

 

[D-Bo]

What ual321 posted is not a rumor. It actually happened.

 

[JumpersAway]

This thread is total chicken s##t.........

 

[flylike44]

IND-ORD Flt.7637 7-8-08.

Having the gate agent do your dirty work (UAL jumpseat denials) is priceless.

Do you not have the BALLS to do it yourself, face to face cAPT?

Good luck with that jumpseat war.

if one of our guys was trying to get on (and that includes shuttle, chautauqua, and republic), and the mainline guy, of course, had priority according to the computer, then you don't have a leg to stand on. if the united jumpseater was denied just for being united mainline, then that's pretty messed up and not representative of our pilot group.

 

[SizzleChest]

..... typical flightMISinfo.com crapola.... The 2 UAL guys were NRSP so it did not matter. Second, the Capt. and gate agent were good friends having worked together previously.... of course the details are unimportant to FI people as flame wars are much more fun...... needless to say it was not a big deal as some would wish it to be and has been addressed.... oy!

 

[stillflyn]

UAL ALPA response to jumpseat threat

July 8, 2008

To: United Airlines Pilots

From: UAL-MEC Jumpseat Committee

Re: Our response to the letter from the “UAX Pilots Association”—Denial of Express Jumpseats to UAL pilots

The UAL-MEC Jumpseat Committee would like to address the situation regarding the impending denial of jumpseats to United pilots by our United Express (UAX) partners. For those of you who
commute on UAX flights, you already have or will soon be receiving the following letter from a UAX Captain when you request a jumpseat.

Important Letter to United Pilots

June 30, 2008
To United Airlines pilots:

On behalf of the Jumpseat Committees representing all of the carriers flying as United Express, welcome aboard. Unfortunately, this letter has been provided to you because you will likely be affected by a difficult decision, reluctantly arrived at by the United Express (UAX) pilots. Over the last couple of years, United Airlines (UAL) has made changes to the gate jumpseating and priority software programs. Several of these changes have adversely affected not only the UAX pilots, but also the UAL pilots, as well. There is widespread confusion and frustration amongst many of the pilots regarding how the gate computer sorts priorities for jumpseat requests. Based upon the UAX agreement tables, jumpseat requests on UAX flights are supposed to be processed like this:
1. On their own flights, UAX pilots are sorted first, in order of their seniority.
2. UAL pilots and “other” UAX pilots are sorted next, in order of their check-in.
3. Non UAL/UAX pilots (“offline pilots”) are then sorted, in order of their check-in.

HOWEVER, the current software being used by UAL does NOT sort jumpseat requests in this order. Instead, all jumpseat requests are sorted as if the flight were a mainline UAL flight. This means that UAX pilots are being bumped by UAL pilots on their own UAX flights. The computer software also sorts some UAX pilots as if they were offline pilots, even on their own flights. Despite nine (9) months of repeated appeals to UAL management, and despite the fact that a minor software change would solve this issue (simply change the computers to recognize the carriers’ flight number) UAX carriers have recently been told that UAL will not fix this blatant degradation of our jumpseat agreements because to do so would not generate revenue for UAL. This position is untenable.
We have now sent a detailed letter to UALPA’s MEC, addressing these very important issues, and we have provided UALPA with specific examples of where UAL has made non-revenue generating changes to the gate software. The UAX pilots have respectfully requested that the gate jumpseat software be fixed within thirty (30) days. Regrettably, if UAL does not fix the jumpseat software within thirty (30) days, UAX pilots will be left with no other choice but to deny all UAL pilots any requests for the jumpseat, regardless of aircraft tail-colors beginning 08/31/08.
On behalf of all UAX pilots, we sincerely hope that we will not be forced to deny any UAL pilot a ride, as we are mindful of the fact that many UAL pilots will be negatively impacted. To that end, we are simply asking that you immediately call or email your MEC to let them know how important your UAX commute is, and to help us all obtain a fair and just resolution. Thank you for your professionalism and active cooperation.
Signed, the pilots of:
Chautauqua Airlines
Colgan Airlines
Go Jets Airlines
Mesa Air Group
Shuttle America
SkyWest Airlines

 

[brownie]

UPS pilots sure are getting big heads these days.

Which head r u refering to? because mine has always been big in fact huge.:laugh: :laugh:

 

[Airline Driver]

This is a Stupid Thread!!!!!:uzi:

But boy am I laughing at the Stupidity of this Thread!:laugh:

 

[Fly2AK]

There shouldnt be any denial unless UAL gets the problem fixed before Aug 1st. You should be only getting a letter with your jumpseat request stating the problem from the Captain.

The UALMEC Jumpseat Committee, United Flight ops and the UAX manager from United are going to convene for a telephone conference on Thursday, July 10, 2008. We will advise these UAX members ONE LAST TIME of the difficulties and limitations associated with resolving these issues. We will also put to rest their beliefs that there are quick solutions as well. At the end of this meeting your jumpseat committee will advise these members that they will have one week from July 10th to rescind their decision to deny jumpseats to United pilots. We will also demand they notify the MEC in writing. If at the end of that week they have not reversed their decision, we will IMMEDIATELY do all within our power to prevent them from obtaining jumpseats on United flights. We will request management to instruct our agents to not process them for a jumpseat or issue them an OMC card.

In other words gate agents will immediately block all UAX pilots from the jumpseat. That means UAX and UAL flights, all this has accomplised is create a divide amongst pilot groups. This is what the UAX pilots have asked for, a jumpseat war with the UAL pilots, the UAL pilots don't control the jumpseat priority software and the UAL pilots acknowledge the fact that UAX pilots are supposed to have priority on UAX flights. The UAX pilots think there is some conspiracy to keep UAX pilots out of their own JS, not true, but the UAX ultimatem is not cool and is coming with a heavy consequence.

 

[OzBushWhacker]

Which head r u refering to? because mine has always been big in fact huge

Well played!

 

[Long Time Gone]

The UALMEC Jumpseat Committee, United Flight ops and the UAX manager from United are going to convene for a telephone conference on Thursday, July 10, 2008. We will advise these UAX members ONE LAST TIME of the difficulties and limitations associated with resolving these issues. We will also put to rest their beliefs that there are quick solutions as well. At the end of this meeting your jumpseat committee will advise these members that they will have one week from July 10th to rescind their decision to deny jumpseats to United pilots. We will also demand they notify the MEC in writing. If at the end of that week they have not reversed their decision, we will IMMEDIATELY do all within our power to prevent them from obtaining jumpseats on United flights. We will request management to instruct our agents to not process them for a jumpseat or issue them an OMC card.

In other words gate agents will immediately block all UAX pilots from the jumpseat. That means UAX and UAL flights, all this has accomplised is create a divide amongst pilot groups. This is what the UAX pilots have asked for, a jumpseat war with the UAL pilots, the UAL pilots don't control the jumpseat priority software and the UAL pilots acknowledge the fact that UAX pilots are supposed to have priority on UAX flights. The UAX pilots think there is some conspiracy to keep UAX pilots out of their own JS, not true, but the UAX ultimatem is not cool and is coming with a heavy consequence.

Well this is definately NOT an official letter. At least I've never seen one with the words "not cool" in it.

 

[CoolSidePillow]

Maybe the Shupublicqua Cpt did not have permission from his mom to take a jumpseater.

 

[TAWS]

I know that capt (looked it up on crewtrac). I'm calling BS on this thread. What a loser you are to start this nonsense and claim to fly for UPS.

BTW, for all those UAL guys that believe this crap, I'd advise you to look at the source and decide for yourself.

It's a lie!

 

[D-Bo]

I know that capt (looked it up on crewtrac). I'm calling BS on this thread. What a loser you are to start this nonsense and claim to fly for UPS.

BTW, for all those UAL guys that believe this crap, I'd advise you to look at the source and decide for yourself.

It's a lie!

If you know the cAPT call the MFer and ask him. I know of the two guys that overheard it. I'm not guessing what happened. It came straight from them. It's been reported to our JS comm and hasn't been disproved. If you Fers want to fight that's cool. Bring it on. We're in a fighting mood these days. Finally. I hope you guys fight this and try to punish us over sh*t we have no control over. Trust me. You're going to lose.

I'll add, if some of you think we have so much control over Apollo programing, what makes you think we can't prevent pass riding....since it is all through the comp system and all?

This fight will be slow pitch softball for us and major league baseball for you.

Not an elitist attitude. It's a matter of leverage, and you guys don't have near the amount of leverage, or anger, that we have.

Please take this all the way.

 

[McNugget]

If you know the cAPT call the MFer and ask him. I know of the two guys that overheard it. I'm not guessing what happened. It came straight from them. It's been reported to our JS comm and hasn't been disproved. If you Fers want to fight that's cool. Bring it on. We're in a fighting mood these days. Finally. I hope you guys fight this and try to punish us over sh*t we have no control over. Trust me. You're going to lose.

I'll add, if some of you think we have so much control over Apollo programing, what makes you think we can't prevent pass riding....since it is all through the comp system and all?

This fight will be slow pitch softball for us and major league baseball for you.

Not an elitist attitude. It's a matter of leverage, and you guys don't have near the amount of leverage, or anger, that we have.

Please take this all the way.

In the present decade, you guys mostly take it in the tailpipe.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

As the bread and milk gets more sparse on the shelves we continue to fight each other instead of working on self government and problem solving..

 

[CoolSidePillow]

The only thing good about the French is how they do Revolutions. It is beyond time to roll.

 

[TAWS]

Maybe you shouldn't drink and post.

I'm sure our JS co-ordinator (a fair minded COMMUTER) will take care of this. Unless CrewTrac is incorrect, or you have your dates wrong, the date and flight # are pointing to a person, who wouldn't do this.
Personally, I don't have a dog in this fight (not a commuter) and don't think it's a good idea. But apparently, you guys have enough a$$holes on property who are KNOWINGLY taking advantage of the programming glitch, to make it an issue.

Don't go playing internet tough-guy, it doesn't help anyone.

 

[D-Bo]

Maybe you shouldn't drink and post.

I'm sure our JS co-ordinator (a fair minded COMMUTER) will take care of this. Unless CrewTrac is incorrect, or you have your dates wrong, the date and flight # are pointing to a person, who wouldn't do this.
Personally, I don't have a dog in this fight (not a commuter) and don't think it's a good idea. But apparently, you guys have enough a$$holes on property who are KNOWINGLY taking advantage of the programming glitch, to make it an issue.

Don't go playing internet tough-guy, it doesn't help anyone.

No play here at all. I don't say anything on the computer I wouldn't say directly to your face. More than a few on flightinfo know me and will attest to that.

Now, if we have guys that are taking advantage of the glitch and your captains don't have the guts to correct it themselves on their own airplane, tough sh*t.

If this threat is all you guys have your going to lose. It's not tough talk. The reality is that you guys think you hold more cards than you actually do. We'd like to talk about it some more....since we already did that in a meeting a while ago, but if you guys want to fight we are absolutely willing to participate.

 

[imacdog]

D-Bo you are one bad mofo. Airbus FO, are you one of the 950? Why are you asking other pilot groups to live with a computer problem that benefits yours, when we all know that your group would not stand for it if the situation were reversed?

 

[TAWS]

I agree that our captains should get up to the gate area and double check, but there are many situations when time is against you and you just don't want to get into a pi$$ing match with gate agents.
I was totally against this when it first surfaced, as I thought it was just a couple of isolated incidents, but it has been happening more frequently in recent months.
As an aside, the person in question has business interests outside of aviation, isn't a commuter and is a laid-back guy. While I wasn't there, I would guess there is more to this story than what has been posted here. There isn't even a mention of it on our pilot web.
We have a good relationship with almost all the agents in IND (wasn't always the case) and it isn't inconceivable that something was said as a joke, but later misinterpreted.

Keep an open mind.

 

[D-Bo]

D-Bo you are one bad mofo. Airbus FO, are you one of the 950? Why are you asking other pilot groups to live with a computer problem that benefits yours, when we all know that your group would not stand for it if the situation were reversed?

If the number stands at 950, which it won't, I'm one of the 950. I'm one of the 950 whether I get furloughed or not. You have about 6000 UAL pilots that feel as if they are the 950. I'm also a 2172. Been here before. Not scared this time. Ready to fight these a holes.

Look, I'm not asking them to live with it but they played this sh*T wrong. Punish us for a computer glitch we don't have control over? We've been pushed back into too many corners. If they want to play the game like that, fine. We'll fight back and we will win. Guaranteed. So if they want to fix it, pull the letter and we'll talk. Otherwise, if they want to fight, we'll show them one they've never seen.

 

[imacdog]

Of course the other option would be for your UALMEC to take the high road and distribute informtion to your pilot group and gate agents explaining the situation and how everyone can work together to resolve this issue until the computer software can be fixed. That would be the reasonable thing to do. But no, even in the dying days of your airline it's all about the ego - what is particularly amusing is your MEC writing that the UAX pilots giving an ultimatum is against ALPA policy, then not more than half a page later giving the UAX pilots an even shorter ultimatum. Egos dude, they're good for a laugh occasionally.