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Should captain pay top out at 150K?

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Anyone ever consider that the high salaries of times past were set a bit high due to the nature of the occupation? The captain and his crew (FO/FE) were operating in a more perilous environment due to the lack of technological advances we have now. Applicants who were qualified and willing to fly during that era were few and far between and were compensated accordingly.

There wasn't a surplus of pilots which we've seen over the last several decades. The existing GA population was much smaller and there weren't pilots mills either. In fact, at some point, the airlines were scooping up private pilots to fill the growing demand. A high salary (arbitrarily set based upon what they deemed was fit pay for the type of work being performed, along with the hazards, skill, judgement and nerves required) and the glamour that went with it helped attract more individuals to the profession.

As weather capabilites, radar and onboard technology improved, it alleviated a lot of the work required of a 3 man crew and the 2 pilot operation was eventually born. Airlines no longer wanted a side seat. Too expensive. Let a computer do it.

From here on in, the economic conventions of supply and demand have taken over and the industry has become whimsical to these governing forces.

There are plenty of pilots and there always will be. Perhaps we've seen a decline in certification at all levels, but aviation will ALWAYS have pilots willing to fly for nothing. It's something that most get involved in for the love of it.

The advent of airline travel has since past us. Those times provided for better pilot compensation due to the nature of job and the infancy of it. It was in a growth phase. Airlines initially even hired nurses to tend to the passengers concerns so as to encourage air travel.

Technological advancement (in safety, accuracy, cabability) has cummulatively eroded the salaries in a lot of industries, not just the airlines.
 
Why should pilots be paid $150K today? Why did airline flying become a relatively high-paying job to begin with? Why should RJ pilots be paid 1/2 (or less) of what major pilots make for doing basically the same job?

Answer those questions and you'll see what's needed to increase pilot wages.
 
Last year I made $107K and with a wife and 3 kids I barely have enough to get by.

I have junior Sailors that work for me, that spend 8-9 months a year away from home, working 18 hour days for weeks on end, that make less than half of that and survive with a wife and 2-4 kids, and they do it with a smile and quiet professionalism.

You need to seriously reevaluate your standard of living vs. income if you're struggling on 107/year.
 
I have junior Sailors that work for me, that spend 8-9 months a year away from home, working 18 hour days for weeks on end, that make less than half of that and survive with a wife and 2-4 kids, and they do it with a smile and quiet professionalism.

You need to seriously reevaluate your standard of living vs. income if you're struggling on 107/year.


Are you insane?

You're comparing the expenses full-time military guys have to the rest of us? Hardly a reasonable comparison.

Plus with JetBlue's out-of-pocket health care costs...$107,000 evaporates very quickly. Plus, our company is HQ'd in JFK...kind of expensive compared to your junior sailors.

Police officers on Long Island top out at $117,000 after 9 years with NO overtime. $107,000 might be great at some Navy base....but it's pocket change in the real world.
 
Anyone ever consider that the high salaries of times past were set a bit high due to the nature of the occupation? The captain and his crew (FO/FE) were operating in a more perilous environment due to the lack of technological advances we have now. Applicants who were qualified and willing to fly during that era were few and far between and were compensated accordingly.

OK I don't know what your background is and I really don't care. I came to work at Continental at the end of the old school. Meaning I was a F/E and flew with some of the best pilots and finest gentlemen I have ever flown with, IE vintage 1960's (RCAL) OLD CAL.

Today flying B756 CA two pilot back and forth to Europe with no relief pilot (ie UK Specialist) is bar none the most unsafe flying I have done in my entire career. That includes a short leave of absence flying for Tower Air as a B747 FO flying non sked charter world wide operations.

You can take all the technological advances of modern aircraft and still doesn't compare to a three man crew, period.

By the way a wide body captain in 1977 flying for a top major earned around $125k per year. Run that though an inflation calculator and that runs well north of $400K today.

As the ALPA Captain Elect for Continental EWR Council 170 currently the largest single representational status council in ALPA.

My message to Mr. Kellner, F U PAY ME. If it takes a strike so be it! I demand a contract with massive gains in every section our Contract 08 to include real duty and trip rigs.

FYI Instructor Dude, please be man enough to identify yourself should you ever ask for my jumpseat as you will certainly be the very first pilot I will ever denied. I think you are in dire need of an old fashioned blanket party. Future Scab!
 
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Instructordude is the type of person(nerd) that wears his uniform to kroger and the gym on his off days....Nice tom cruise sunglasses
 
How in the world are you going to get good pilots if you don't compensate them?

Let's face it, flying is a blue collar job. For every SWA/Fed Ex/Insert Good Paying Airline here, there are 10 guys at regionals willing to do the same job for less...and probably do it just as well. There's also a ton of guys retiring out of the military with a retirement check also willing to do it cheaper will for sure do it at least better than a regional guy.

The job just isn't that hard. A doctor can rent a plane and fly on the weekend...and he makes $200k. Can you do open heart surgery on the weekend?
 

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