Settle a Debate-VOR Checks?

[Rick James]

Rik - Yes. The regulation to check a VOR does not have an exception.

(a) No person may operate a civil aircraft under IFR using the VOR system of radio navigation unless the VOR equipment of that aircraft --

Well, if your not using VOR's then why would you have to check them? This is the basis for the debate we're having in our department.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

just do a dual check every 30 days, we do it every couple of weeks and note it in our log. not a big deal and you are covered.

agree.

Have it on your flight/trip log paperwork and be done with it..

I do one every trip...just make it up. Takes approx 5 seconds and makes everyone happy. Have done VOR checks on glass cockpit planes for the last 10yrs and never tuned a VOR. lol.

The FAA will have us still doing them years after VORs are removed from service.

now...debating if its technically required? - I say either way its done...so who cares, go find a hobby.

 

[caseyd]

agree.

...so who cares, go find a hobby.

Now there's a man who needs a larger audience..... You can make yourself crazy with this stuff and if it's your hobby well fine. If not, yer gonna make the rest of us crazy. And that won't be pretty ;-)

 

[NCherches]

VOR checks are perfect for those 3+ hour flights where I am sick of hearing Rush Limbaugh on the ADF, I have figited with all the buttons/switches, and I am sick of climbing and decending for a smooth ride...

 

[BoilerUP]

Well, if your not using VOR's then why would you have to check them?

Because 91.171 say you have to...that's pretty much the long and the short of it. Like somebody mentioned earlier in the thread, the FMS uses VOR/DME for cross-check with its GPS position.

As far as the AIM statement about needing a backup to GPS nav being regulatory...not sure, but I'd hate to be in a position of an ALJ making that determination with my certificates on the line.

Like G200 says, it takes 5 seconds...why attempt to make something vastly more complicated than it needs to be?

Then again, you could always write the Chief Counsel and get an interpretation...THAT would be definitive.

 

[ksu_aviator]

(a) No person may operate a civil aircraft under IFR using the VOR system of radio navigation unless the VOR equipment of that aircraft --

Well, if your not using VOR's then why would you have to check them? This is the basis for the debate we're having in our department.

I'm not sure where the regulation is, but the AIM says there is a regulation requiring another form of navigation appropriate to the flight in addition to a GPS.

AIM 1:1:19(d)(2)

 

[GravityHater]

How many have a log of their FMS/GPS databases updates? I am told we need a written log of all updates.

 

[LJ45]

How many have a log of their FMS/GPS databases updates? I am told we need a written log of all updates.

Our POI said yes, after he came back from a FAA school on this subject. And, he told me we could do it, even though some later guidance saying it needs to be done by maintenance. yeah, they could pop that disk in better than I can, after I went to UNS school and they went to what! give me a break! Yes, 135 log it, 91...who cares.

 

[LegacyDriver]

I do one every time I accept an aircraft whether 91, 121, or 135. Have flown glass more than anything else and have always understood it to be required per regulation.

 

[LJ45]

I do one every time I accept an aircraft whether 91, 121, or 135. Have flown glass more than anything else and have always known it to be required per regulation.

In the words of a great band named Queen..."play the game"