Seniority dispute ends at US Airways

[MCDU]

AWA was nothing more then a Skybus. A startup in the 80's. It was never a major. Mesa grande pilots were known for undercutting legacy contracts and willing to work for crappy pay and no pension in order for a quick upgrade due to massive attrition when pilots left for the majors. Just like Mesa.

AWA led the way for our pay cuts. It was the model for all CEO's.

AWA was very close to liquidation and had just 110 mio.left. and was owned by the government. USAIR never got below 500mio. and was a viable carrier after the sacrifices were made.

AWA needed the merger to stay afloat. With hubs in PHX and LAS, it would have been their demise without the East hubs.There is a reason West are flying almost 25% of East routes. These are routes West never flew.

The solution is for East and West to break up and everyone goes back to flying their routes they had at the merger announcement. New routes added can be split 2 to 1. How about it westies. would that make you happy? Or is that windfall to sweet on the backs of the much older East pilot group?



M

 

[Cowboy75]

HELP!!! MCDU HELP!!!!

St Nic exits and Charlie appears, nice disguise. Why don't you just lean over and talk to MCDU. I picture the both of you in the same Usapian boiler room.

Wink, wink.

 

[MCDU]

You are up early Cowboy. You live East? Dallas? Or are you flying some of the many East routes out of PHL that use to be East jobs?

M

 

[Cowboy75]

You are up early Cowboy. You live East? Or are you flying some of the many East routes out of PHL that use to be East jobs?

M

Marty,

I have an early show time and live in Phoenix.

I was flying East well before our shotgun wedding. I wouldn't mind an East base though.

Gotta run....

 

[sleeves]

AWA was nothing more then a Skybus. A startup in the 80's. It was never a major. Mesa grande pilots were known for undercutting legacy contracts and willing to work for crappy pay and no pension in order for a quick upgrade due to massive attrition when pilots left for the majors. Just like Mesa.

AWA led the way for our pay cuts. It was the model for all CEO's.

AWA was very close to liquidation and had just 110 mio.left. and was owned by the government. USAIR never got below 500mio. and was a viable carrier after the sacrifices were made.

AWA needed the merger to stay afloat. With hubs in PHX and LAS, it would have been their demise without the East hubs.There is a reason West are flying almost 25% of East routes. These are routes West never flew.

The solution is for East and West to break up and everyone goes back to flying their routes they had at the merger announcement. New routes added can be split 2 to 1. How about it westies. would that make you happy? Or is that windfall to sweet on the backs of the much older East pilot group?



M

You agreed to a process. It was a well documented process in ALPA. You agreed to BINDING arbitration!! Quit whining about it. you feel you got screwed, The arbitrator that YOU PICKED does not. Why should the AWA pilots appease you? You already agreed to a process, will you back out of this deal in a few years if you don't like it just like you are trying to back out of this one?

 

[charlie2]

St Nic exits and Charlie appears, nice disguise. Why don't you just lean over and talk to MCDU. I picture the both of you in the same Usapian boiler room.

Wink, wink.

I have been a member for about 6 years. Just don't post to much.

 

[St. Nic]

St Nic exits and Charlie appears, nice disguise. Why don't you just lean over and talk to MCDU. I picture the both of you in the same Usapian boiler room.

Wink, wink.

Well well well- I see the propaganda machine is in full spin out west. How much longer you going to be taking empty swings in the dark Texas man? Just so you know, the PHL picket went well, we had a lot of support from OAL pilots (many of whom stand by DOH as the bedrock principle!) and we are unified as a group out east. Looking forward to moving things forward because we can do this without the few malcontents out west. The train is leaving the station, better hop on board!

 

[sniper]

Well well well- I see the propaganda machine is in full spin out west. How much longer you going to be taking empty swings in the dark Texas man? Just so you know, the PHL picket went well, we had a lot of support from OAL pilots (many of whom stand by DOH as the bedrock principle!) and we are unified as a group out east. Looking forward to moving things forward because we can do this without the few malcontents out west. The train is leaving the station, better hop on board!

No other airlines support USAPA.......fusapa

 

[St. Nic]

No other airlines support USAPA.......fusapa

Says the greedy west pilot. So tell me, how will it feel to be put on that special list when USAPA strikes? How do you think other airlines will look at you? How about ALPA? Think it through first.

 

[ableone]

AWA was nothing more then a Skybus. A startup in the 80's. It was never a major.

Wrong.

AWA actually attained major status before Southwest.

Mesa grande pilots were known for undercutting legacy contracts and willing to work for crappy pay and no pension in order for a quick upgrade due to massive attrition when pilots left for the majors. Just like Mesa.

AWA pilots negotiated two working agreements.

The first one was negotiated and ratified under the auspices of chapter 11 bankruptcy. First year pay was the highest of any major.

The second agreement was negotiated under the covenants proscribed by the ATSB in the wake of the 9-11 attacks. This agreement still brought raises and improved scheduling. Better schedules than USAir east pilot have.

While AWA pilots were able to improve pay and working conditions while having to fight chapter 11 and then the ATSB the USAir pilots were giving everything they could think of away. The let my Daddy vote campaign (i.e. we are scared of everything Mr. Management Man, please make the bad times go away.)

In other words; pathetic behavior by the east pilots.

AWA led the way for our pay cuts. It was the model for all CEO's.
AWA was very close to liquidation and had just 110 mio.left. and was owned by the government. USAIR never got below 500mio. and was a viable carrier after the sacrifices were made.

AWA was profitable. In fact AWA had to cover USAir's payroll for the first six months after the merger was announced.

USAir was pretty close to death. I know that because we have a few pilots who did free lance Airbus repositioning flying. I personally know of two pilots who were put on standby by GE to move USAir airbuses to temporary staging in the desert.

AWA needed the merger to stay afloat. With hubs in PHX and LAS, it would have been their demise without the East hubs.There is a reason West are flying almost 25% of East routes. These are routes West never flew.

USAir would have liquidated and AWA would have lived years longer and would have had several opportunities to merge with other carriers. In addition, the vacuum left by the death of USAir would have provided growth opportunities for all remaining carriers with access to capitol.

AWA had access to capitol.

The solution is for East and West to break up and everyone goes back to flying their routes they had at the merger announcement. New routes added can be split 2 to 1. How about it westies. would that make you happy? Or is that windfall to sweet on the backs of the much older East pilot group?
M

You have been consistently wrong about everything so why should anyone listen to a PFT Gulfstream washout?

Not only are you a PFT loser but you were not even smart enough to go to a place where you could get your money's worth.

You could not even buy a job successfully.

What is your obsession with USAir east?

You don't work there and based on your stellar aviation trajectory you likely will never see the flightdeck of any major airline. Which is a good thing.

Your daddy must be a really bitter guy. Probably because he thinks his twelve years of furlough time should place him senior to a west captain.

Both he and you are delusional and none too bright.