Senior People Hoping for Furlough

[SpauldingSmails]

Exactly, and where to find a happy medium.

I always believe the medium is where no one is happy.

... and if you're a senior pilot and you can't make ends meet on your 75 hour guarantee, you've bitten off more than you can chew financially.

 

[SuperKooter]

Recently I ran into some people hoping that ASA furloughs so their credit hours will be back to normal. (ASA has reduced overall line values to minimize the costs of keeping people on.)

Is it just me, or does that seem selfish?

Yeah and so what? This isn't socialism, some people need to get cut so that those with more seniority can pay their bills. Sorry but thats the way it works

 

[Texx]

Yeah and so what? This isn't socialism, some people need to get cut so that those with more seniority can pay their bills. Sorry but thats the way it works

He's Back!

 

[SiuDude]

He's Back!

Ugh, why did you have to quote him?

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[USCtrojan]

Personally, I'd be in favor of a paycut to keep everyone on the property. But that's just me. As far as furloughing goes, I hope it doesn't happen, but if it does, everyone is familiar with the seniority system how it works and you subscribe to it the day you start your first day of Ground School.

Trojan

 

[WalterSobchak]

Yeah and so what? This isn't socialism, some people need to get cut so that those with more seniority can pay their bills. Sorry but thats the way it works

[sarcasm] Tell me about it...I'm sick of these junior dispatchers eating up hours that were previously my overtime. We should totally get rid of some...screw the fact they have families to feed and mortgage payments to make. I don't care if they find themselves on the street in the midst of one of the worst job markets in history or find themselves in financial ruin as long as I get mine...that's all that matters. [/sarcasm]

Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ, seriously...this is really not helping the reputation airline pilots have as, pound for pound, the whiniest group of working professionals in any industry.

You're right...it isn't socialism...but, like Spaulding said above, if you're a senior guy and can't live on your guarantee, you've got bigger problems than worrying about how many below you need to have their source of income cut off completely so you can supplement your personal lifestyle. We're all hurting right now...every position, almost every carrier. That said, there's no way in Hell I could ever muster enough gall to wish a furlough on my brothers and sisters in our OCC (or any OCC for that matter) just so I can have the few extra hours I was accustomed to having last year. I've adjusted my lifestyle...which was pretty easy because I based my finances on a 40-hour work week. Anything else was just great savings/spending money. You can't work in this business and make financial decisions based on 100 hours of flying every month, just like I can't base mine on having overtime pay on every check.

It makes me sick to read crap like this...and, frankly, I wish a swift kick to the crotch and a UFIA for anyone who truly believes this should be the case. Either that, or DIA-non-aircraft related-F...I seriously doubt you'd be missed.

 

[Metro752]

While I do not agree with that persons position, is it any different than a junior pilot wishing that the senior pilots would leave/retire?

Oh, and I forgot, USC Trojan is a BOZO! HA

Let's think about that for a second.


One is voluntary, and one isn't?

 

[ASA_Aviator]

For what it's worth, if block hours do decrease even more, I would support an average line value of 75 hours in order to keep guys off the street. Of course, below that number and furloughs would probably be necessary, as it doesn't make any fiscal sense to pay pilots for not working. Let's hope it never comes to that.

Haven't be average line values already been moved below 75 hours? I'm not sure, but I thought it was around 65.

That last paragraph in the ALPA email last night concerned me. Is something coming down the pike that they know, but aren't telling...?

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Let me guess. It was a 70 Capt. that talks funny, at one time used a cane, and tells the FA's he'd replace them with a coke machine if he could.

Haha, no. But it wouldn't surprise me to hear him say it.

I'm not at liberty to say who it was, but I've heard it at least twice from two different people. Neither were captains, interestingly enough. (When I said senior, I just meant safe from furlough.)

 

[damnflyboy]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting a second job. There's an open position at the Oscar Meyer Hotdog Zone on Concourse C. I have all of the credentials:

1) I can steam a hotdog
2) I hate people
3) I can't speak English
4) I never do my job
5) I am unsanitary

I've also applied to several airlines as a Singing Furlough-Telegram. What should my costume be? I was leaning towards a middle finger, but creativity has never been my strong point.