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[Bill Nelson]

The geezers are out in full force. Don't let them win with a vocal minority. Make sure and post your comments about keeping age 60 in place on the FAA website.

Do it today, don't wait. You livelyhood is on the line.

http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchResu...hTy pe=docket

docket# faa-2006-26139

 

[Cardinal]

Done. There's whole families that have posted their comments to the DOT. What a rodeo.

 

[ReportCanoa]

The only ones who want to work after 60 have either forgotten to save money and still blame RJ pilots or those who dumped their wives for a newer model that still shops. May the geezers lose.

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

The only ones who want to work after 60 have either forgotten to save money and still blame RJ pilots or those who dumped their wives for a newer model that still shops. May the geezers lose.

Mine is in, be sure to include how when you fly with these old farts that they fu-- up often after a long day. get it done, takes all of about 5 min.

 

[Cyclone]

It's not that they just mess up

A lot of them really have degraded night vision. I flew with a guy not long ago and he said..."I can't land at night anymore with these trifocals...you do the night landings I'll take the day landings..." Unreal...you should have seen him taxiing at night...scary.

 

[nosoupforyou!]

Thanks for the link bro'. I voted to change it to 65.

Glad you could assist!

 

[Lear70]

The geezers are out in full force.

As are the Hitler Youth evidently.

Don't let them win with a vocal minority. Make sure and post your comments about keeping age 60 in place on the FAA website.

Do it today, don't wait. You livelyhood is on the line.

http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchResu...hTy pe=docket

docket# faa-2006-26139

I did, thank you very much.

35 years old and ALL IN FAVOR of raising the retirement age to 65, even though it will delay my upgrade by a year or so, because it's the RIGHT THING TO DO.

ROCKIN' THE POLLS!

KMDA !!!

time to go write my senator and congressman, too...

 

[JP4user]

Voted for the change.

 

[snow-back]

Maybe if the pilot community could make it look like a safety of flight issue instead of a greedy get out of my seat issue....

You guys generalize these "old geezers" into 3 wife, blown pension, failed business types who can't see at night. What happens in 20 years when you're 59, have had a failed business, a wife who just divorced your ass and have just had your self directed retirement crash due to a war with China (or whatever crisis)? If I was a senior 62 year old pilot in good shape, I'd want to keep my seniority number and fly about 6 days per month...maybe.

I'm only 39, but I cannot find any rational reason for a random age 60 retirement based on a decades old rule. There's no reason stringent physicals can't be put in place as pilots get older.


Man, I love Part 91!

 

[Cyclone]

I agree

Come up with something better that will work in practice better than age 60 and will keep us safe. It's easy to say..."we shouldn't have any age discrimination." Oh, that would be just lovely. It's like a lot of academic points...hey I know...we'll just go into Iraq with our Judeo-Christian democratic principles and change these muslims into free market loving capitalists who vote and follow western-style legal systems...no problem. Reality versus theory.

There ARE a lot of "geezers" who should not be flying...don't count on them to be able to recognize they are failing when they pass 60...it's called denial. They will still try to keep it going...until things go really wrong. What can we do to make sure this doesn't happen?

It's not in ICAO the proposal. Tell me how we're going to alleviate the safety concerns. Aging is a real issue. How do we mitigate the risk? Tell me how we could really do this. We need some type of screen. There is no perfect rule. Less safe = less perfect.

 

[Lear70]

Oh God... are we REALLY going to have this debate in yet ANOTHER string?

For the love of God, just go to the website, make a comment, then contact your congressman and senator, then let the legislative system work.

If it changes, so be it. If it doesn't, hey, them's the breaks. Debating it here isn't going to do any good - you're NOT going to change anyone's mind on Flightinfo...

 

[CitationCapt]

Someday, sooner than you think, you will all be old geezers. Life goes by quick.

CC

 

[pipe]

Someday, sooner than you think, you will all be old geezers. Life goes by quick.

CC

Me getting old won't make 65 right or smart.

 

[AAflyer]

As are the Hitler Youth evidently.


I did, thank you very much.

35 years old and ALL IN FAVOR of raising the retirement age to 65, even though it will delay my upgrade by a year or so, because it's the RIGHT THING TO DO.

ROCKIN' THE POLLS!

KMDA !!!

time to go write my senator and congressman, too...

35 years old and against it.

AA

 

[Lear70]

35 years old and against it.

AA

On what grounds, may I ask?

Seriously, we've beat it into the hole that there are no medical reasons either for or against the argument, that no one on here is a board-certified neuro or cardio vascular surgeon to speak towards weakening body between those 2 ages, so that argument should be moot.

The other argument of whether it is a constitutional equal opportunity problem with age bias being the main argument but no one wants to properly field the question and stay ON the question. The same people who are fighting against a 5 year increase in age are probably the same types of people who were fighting for and against every important amendment since time immemorial.

So the only thing that's left is greed. Each side wants what's best for them. Neither side, with a few notable concessions, wants to give anything up for what they believe in.

Gee, that sounds familiar. When was that strike meeting at MSA again?

In case you missed that little blurb, that's the sound of me making a point that we're getting hammered on every side by upper management and the judicial system on almost every major quality of life item. So you want to continue to throw stones and do their dirty work for them or just inform people of their options and wait for what comes to pass?

 

[AAflyer]

We are all selfish for our own reasons. I do not want my carrer stagnated anymore than 9-11 has already caused it. What smells of this is the group that is moving this forward did not push then when they were new FOs.

They would like a change when they are pearched from the best seat in the house. I find it as self serving as me wanting to keep what has been in place for the duration.

If they are only out to change this law from being outdated, why not start the 65 clock on those who are hired starting the day the bill is passed. Why not allow each union or pilot group the right of where to put these pilots on the seniority list. Lastly if 60 is such a discrimintive number, what is 65? Or is it convenient that when full SS can be taken?

Lastly with age comes degradation of one's abilities. Yes, I know I have read the news articles on the 65 year old triathaletes, however that is not the norm. Vision, hearing and some cognitive skills WILL diminish.

Lastly, I find theur experience argument more lacking than then our medical argument. Like the 747 captain who said who would have enough experience to take over his job, some twenty somthing kid. Earth to 747 captain, most of the junior pilots at the legacies are in the 30s with substantial time, type rating, and experience.

You wanted my opinion you go it, it is self serving to be going after this sitting at the top of hill because someone wants more, and did not plan accordingly, or even worse has no life and does not know what to do when retired.

AAflyer

On what grounds, may I ask?

Seriously, we've beat it into the hole that there are no medical reasons either for or against the argument, that no one on here is a board-certified neuro or cardio vascular surgeon to speak towards weakening body between those 2 ages, so that argument should be moot.

The other argument of whether it is a constitutional equal opportunity problem with age bias being the main argument but no one wants to properly field the question and stay ON the question. The same people who are fighting against a 5 year increase in age are probably the same types of people who were fighting for and against every important amendment since time immemorial.

So the only thing that's left is greed. Each side wants what's best for them. Neither side, with a few notable concessions, wants to give anything up for what they believe in.

Gee, that sounds familiar. When was that strike meeting at MSA again?

In case you missed that little blurb, that's the sound of me making a point that we're getting hammered on every side by upper management and the judicial system on almost every major quality of life item. So you want to continue to throw stones and do their dirty work for them or just inform people of their options and wait for what comes to pass?

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

Pilots need other interests outside of working as a pilot.. For those who have other interests 60 is good enough. Those who don't will want 65, or a recent divorce. :-(