Senate, House Agree to Sixfold Boost in Airline Pilots' Flight Experience

[BrickTop]

Turbine pic would be great but completely unrealistic. 1500hr is not perfect but it is realistic. The goal is to raise safety and 1500hr dose it!!!

1500hrs of 172 instruction? Not at all. Pilots need experience in weather navigation, ATC interaction, high altitude aerodynamics, complex systems integration, high density airport operations, PIC decision making, department management, weather depiction, etc. Not 1500hrs of lazy 8's and shooting NDB approaches.

 

[BoilerUP]

A mandate for TURBINE PIC time to "qualify" for 121 employment is the only measure that will ensure experienced pilots employ the airline industry.

Because God knows an Airnet pilot with 2000 hours flying a Baron in every kind of weather Mother Nature could throw at him/her isn't qualified or experienced enough to be an "airline pilot" but their coworker on a Caravan run is....

 

[jonjuan]

1500hrs of 172 instruction? Not at all. Pilots need experience in weather navigation, ATC interaction, high altitude aerodynamics, complex systems integration, high density airport operations, PIC decision making, department management, weather depiction, etc. Not 1500hrs of lazy 8's and shooting NDB approaches.

And how does one go about getting these experiences?

 

[Full of LUV]

Because God knows an Airnet pilot with 2000 hours flying a Baron in every kind of weather Mother Nature could throw at him/her isn't qualified or experienced enough to be an "airline pilot" but their coworker on a Caravan run is....

Exactly,
There are many ways to get your 1500 hours, but it just won't be flying an RJ with pax. It's funny because it is called the ATP, airline transport pilot, certificate, but somehow over the years only the captain is requied to be an "airline pilot".

 

[clr4theapch]

I think its good.. this used to be the rules to get an ATP and have the very minimum reqm'ts when I started flying in 78' It was the reason guys like me never made it to an airline job flying for a living, 1500 hours is hard at that stage of life and it shoule be...

I think it should be HARD to become qualified to become a airline pilot, the rules should require a breakdown of skills logged to include CFII work, 135 operations, a min of multi-time..and actual IFR, then and only then can one apply to an airline.. No more PFT or reductions for this exception of that..

JMHO of course..

 

[ultrarunner]

1500hrs of 172 instruction? Not at all. Pilots need experience in weather navigation, ATC interaction, high altitude aerodynamics, complex systems integration, high density airport operations, PIC decision making, department management, weather depiction, etc. Not 1500hrs of lazy 8's and shooting NDB approaches.

Hey man, it's a start.....

It's possible with 1500 TT, some of these folks will have gotten that by doing other types of flying that what you list above.

The good thing is that the puppy mill schools are immediately shut out. And we won't have 300 hr wonder-pilots flying us around anymore!

 

[Lynxman]

I think its good.. this used to be the rules to get an ATP and have the very minimum reqm'ts when I started flying in 78' It was the reason guys like me never made it to an airline job flying for a living, 1500 hours is hard at that stage of life and it shoule be...

I think it should be HARD to become qualified to become a airline pilot, the rules should require a breakdown of skills logged to include CFII work, 135 operations, a min of multi-time..and actual IFR, then and only then can one apply to an airline.. No more PFT or reductions for this exception of that..

JMHO of course..

I know of very few 135 turbine operators that will look at people with 0 turbine time for employment. CFII work would be great, but at some point it's a wash how much dual given do I need to be deemed necessary to fly a jet. Min multi time I can see, but at what point will I know all I need to know 50? 100? 200? Actual IFR I can see a point in this also, but how much and what if someone lives in areas that have very few IFR days? Yes up the mins, but let's be realistic here it's not rocket science.

 

[Hawker800]

135 ops require a minimum time also does it not. Airline pilot should require an ATP certificate. That is why there is such a license? This makes me feel better since I have to ride in the back of these things alot. I would think that this should cause the pay to rise some also. Better quality required.

 

[Lynxman]

Quality is in the eyes of the beholder looking at the applicant. Joe Schmo can instruct up to 1500 hours and still be a worthless pilot.

 

[dooork]

This will put nearly an end to the puppy mill operations that soak mom/dad for $60K so their kid can be an airline pilot earning $24K a year.

Junior won't want to go to school for 9 months and spend that money if he/she has to spend another 1.5 years finding out how to get 1500 hours of flight time just to get a new hire RJ job.

The mill will move. I can see corporations and 135 operations doing PFT.

 

[Bringupthebird]

How many hours does the typical F/O on a military transport have? How many hours does the typical military pilot have when they separate?

 

[clr4theapch]

I, as an example have over 2800 hours flying.. all in single engine land.. over 380 actual IFR.. not a minute of instructing.. I would not consider myself qualified to be an airline pilot, however, I have learned many lessions and experienced a few emergency's in those hours.. My point is that 1500 hours give you time to simmer and learn by experience performeing different kinds of trips, weather, ATC issues, NOTAM uses.. just plain ol' experience..

I know there are many here that remember flying solo single engine IFR at night and how challenging it use to be before the glass panels came along.. it was hard work, this kind of flying has been well written about as the toughest flying most airline pilots remember from their past..

As for 135 flying.. i was not talking about turbine time.. not being around at much anymore, There used to be alot of 135 work in Single eng Piston service.. We all know Insurance companies have minimum standards before a person can be added to a policy.. there is a reason for that, nuch the same reson the airlines should have minimums like 1500 hours..

This generation of pilots have been spoiled by the degradation of the regulations over the years.. as I said before 1500 used to be the minimum to even send your application in, and then you were not very competitive, the military guys usually walked all over us, so we got passed up... Good luck, and get those hours in..

 

[reido737]

And how does one go about getting these experiences?

Black pen or Blue!!!!?

 

[labbats]

Two things....

I've been involved in instructing both civilian and military pilots. While some of my best students were civilian, every single military initial student was superb. They are driven and focused on the task at hand. Their only job is to make it to that level and they are paid to do so. Incomparable to a flight school who lets anyone with a check from the parents aboard.

1500 hours is the minimum for an ATP. Anyone with a problem with that becoming the new minimum at the regionals didn't sit in too many cockpits in 2005-2007. Newhires with 250 hours were nothing more than students flying passengers and praying the captain didn't have a medical problem in flight.

 

[kf4amu]

Two things....

. Newhires with 250 hours were nothing more than students flying passengers and praying the captain didn't have a medical problem in flight.

I was one of those 250 (actually 360 but who cares) riddle kids and I agree 100 percent. No substitute for experience, I was a passenger, along for the ride on many of my first few flights. I did well in training but I, and others like me never should have been hired. A few hundred more hours won't guarantee better pilots but it certainly won't hurt.