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Section 25 has been TA'd!!!

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Compensation and Insurance are still open, and nowhere close to being closed. If we get both these sections TA'ed (by some miracle, the "force"), then a JCBA TA is likely. Until then, pipe dream.
 
SiuDude said:
Per section 2.41(c) of the flightinfo.com TOS, you must state the airline name in the subject of your post, unless the said airline is Atlantic Southeast Airlines Inc. (a wholly owned subsidiary of Skywest Inc.).
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This thread is in regards to the Joined Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA) amongst Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan.


Btw, why does ASA get a free pass? Since when is ASA the default regional airline of flightinfo? Why?
 
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JNC Update December 16, 2010

The JNC has been in negotiations again this week, and is pleased to report that we have reached a TA on Section 25 -- Scheduling. This section is a large hurdle in any negotiation and brought particular challenges to these negotiations as we are combining three separate systems. The JNC feels that the effort put into Section 25 has resulted in an overall system that respects quality of life, safety, and seniority. This system will require appropriate staffing. ALPA’s Scheduling Committee will have a proactive role in making this system work for pilots. Our trained volunteers will construct pairings as well as run PBS line solutions.

Some more highlights include:

·200% pay for any Junior Assignment (JA) on a day off, along with strong compensatory day provisions. The company is limited to two (2) JA events per month (max of three duty periods), eight (8) duty periods per year and no pilot will be reduced below 10 days off without their consent. In addition, a pilot will have the ability to refuse a Junior Assignment at one time per month and three times per year. The company must also use all in domicile and out of domicile reserves prior to junior assigning any pilot.


·150% pay for Extensions and Junior Assignments that occur on a day of work. An Extension is defined as additional flying that is scheduled to be completed no later than three (3) hours following the end of the trip hour period. The pay begins with the leg that touches the first hour after the end of the pilot’s original trip hour period. After three (3) hours, in order to be required to perform additional flying, the pilot must be the junior available pilot. Pilots will also have the ability to refuse extensions at one (1) time per month and three (3) times total per year.


·Long Call Reserve lines will be constructed to include, at a minimum, 15% of reserve lines in all positions that have eight (8) reserve lines or more.


·Meaningful limitations to Ready Reserve periods, assignments, and escalation, including additional pay for same day escalation over guarantee.

Negotiations continue on the remaining items in Section 3 -- Compensation, 7 -- Vacation, and 27 -- Insurance. We will keep you posted as more information becomes available.

Our Unity is Our Strength!

“One Contract | One List | One Voice”
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Looks like we caved on secton 25, only 3 extension refusals per year? Are you freaking serious? That's terrible!!!! Oh well, with the 3 biggest items remaining we should wrap this up in 2 years. We are a long way from a TA, I remember we were this close about 3 years ago and I drank the kool-aid thinking we were close. Don't believe the hype.
 
Flyer1015 said:
This thread is in regards to the Joined Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA) amongst Pinnacle/Mesaba/Colgan.


Btw, why does ASA get a free pass? Since when is ASA the default regional airline of flightinfo? Why?
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Since the beginning....
 
I am sorry. TA'ing all but two sections in what, 70ish days for unprecedented three way negotiations? That does not sound like stall tactics at all. I am not sure what all these pessimists are smoking, but that is decently quick work if you ask me. Blah, blah....hardest still left....blah blah.... Just get over your misery. Maybe, just maybe, this may actually work?
 
Sorry guys, but at 8 JM's a year, your ankles are going to be bruised from holding them constantly. Methinks you have the wrong guys speaking for you.

I really hope you guys will continue running the APU, no taking shortcuts, no single engine taxiing, flying by the.... oh.... wait a minute...... Nevermind.
 
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NWA said:
Looks like we caved on secton 25, only 3 extension refusals per year? Are you freaking serious? That's terrible!!!! Oh well, with the 3 biggest items remaining we should wrap this up in 2 years. We are a long way from a TA, I remember we were this close about 3 years ago and I drank the kool-aid thinking we were close. Don't believe the hype.
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I don't know the background of all the pessimists, but you guys really need to relax a bit. This is serious progress by the negotiating committee and the company. And regarding the poor quality of the JA provisions, I guess we at Mesaba can't really relate. Mesaba JA'd pilots on eight (8) occasions last year. Yes. 8 times. It doesn't happen here, and the people doing the bargaining don't really intend on allowing it to go on the way it has been at Pinnacle. And extensions? Exactly what are they? I've been at XJ over 10 years and have been extended two (2) times. What exactly goes on down there in Memphis?

Why are people trying to shoot down this progress in negotiations? Why are picketing events being scheduled? It doesn't make any sense. The Company IS talking. The Company is giving in to a Mesaba + contract. And people are bitching and want this to fail?

I don't get it.

MM
 
OPECJet said:
Sorry guys, but at 8 JM's a year, your ankles are going to be bruised from holding them constantly. Methinks you have the wrong guys speaking for you.

I really hope you guys will continue running the APU, no taking shortcuts, no single engine taxiing, flying by the.... oh.... wait a minute...... Nevermind.
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Have you read the 100+ page section 25? they can do it 1 time a year... yes, once... and they pay through the nose and you can refuse.


Please wait until this thing is TA'd and 25 becomes a reality... then read 25... then comment. Until then true colors show because NOBODY has the facts. You are either negative, positive, or don't care.
 
bri5150 said:
I am sorry. TA'ing all but two sections in what, 70ish days for unprecedented three way negotiations? That does not sound like stall tactics at all. I am not sure what all these pessimists are smoking, but that is decently quick work if you ask me. Blah, blah....hardest still left....blah blah.... Just get over your misery. Maybe, just maybe, this may actually work?
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I agreed. Do you think that there are Pinnacle pilots that want this effort to fail? Seems like it. As an XJ guy and future wearer of black and gold, I sure as sh1t don't want to be stuck under the current 9E contract.

MM
 
I Like how guys are already saying it sucks without even reading the darn thing, but if someone said it was good, people wouldnt believe them at all. Calm the freak down, this is going to be a good TA. Just because it says only 3 extention refusals doent mean it is set in stone, the section is over 100 pages long. We have to get out of our current contracts situation where it is full of holes, this one will be different.
 
I can totally understand the Pinnacle pilots view of things. Why, when they were bargaining for six years, was a deal not to be found but now, all of the sudden mgmt has found the resources to get it done in 90 days or so?

This has less to do with awesome MEC's at CJC and XJ (though, CJC's MEC really kicks azz with a Pit bull at the helm and the XJ seems to be a very well calculated and organized group) and more to do with PNCL corp needing the deal badly for some reason that we all don't fully understand or see right now.

I learned early in this career that you never get what you deserve and management never does anything because its the right thing to do. They give you what they must and not a penny more. They have proven soulless people who worship the dollar above anything.

all that being said, I hope the pncl pilots don't bury a good thing here just to stick it to mgmt. I also hope mgmt recognizes the suffering of the pncl pilots and offers them a sizable signing bonus.
 
suupah said:
I can totally understand the Pinnacle pilots view of things. Why, when they were bargaining for six years, was a deal not to be found but now, all of the sudden mgmt has found the resources to get it done in 90 days or so?

This has less to do with awesome MEC's at CJC and XJ (though, CJC's MEC really kicks azz with a Pit bull at the helm and the XJ seems to be a very well calculated and organized group) and more to do with PNCL corp needing the deal badly for some reason that we all don't fully understand or see right now.

I learned early in this career that you never get what you deserve and management never does anything because its the right thing to do. They give you what they must and not a penny more. They have proven soulless people who worship the dollar above anything.

all that being said, I hope the pncl pilots don't bury a good thing here just to stick it to mgmt. I also hope mgmt recognizes the suffering of the pncl pilots and offers them a sizable signing bonus.
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I think they were working on buying Mesaba, or some other company for a while. I have heard how they needed more 900s in order to be more cost effective, and I believe they wanted one contract. weather that's true or not, just the distraction of purchasing another company would make it difficult to negotiate a contract. I think the first piece of the puzzle had to be in place, and now that it is things are moving forward. Just my way of seeing the glass half full
 
higney85 said:
Have you read the 100+ page section 25? they can do it 1 time a year... yes, once... and they pay through the nose and you can refuse.


Please wait until this thing is TA'd and 25 becomes a reality... then read 25... then comment. Until then true colors show because NOBODY has the facts. You are either negative, positive, or don't care.
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I was commenting on what was posted earlier. I don't see anything that limits the company to 1 JM per year. If that post is in error, my mistake / apologies.

Either way, I don't have a vote, along with the multitude of pilots who won't be working under your new contract, but will most likely end up working for an airline that will be using your contract as an example during negotiations. Whether it's the pilot group or management waiving it around is ultimately up to you guys. I sincerely wish ya'll the best, but from riding around the back of PCL RJ's going to and from work, I heard plenty of complaining, but observed lots of single engine taxiing, going well under block, etc from the same guys.
 

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