Schwarzenegger wins in California

[House_X]

I want all of you liberals (350, house_x) to repeat after me:

"It's not the government's money...It's MY money." Say it 10 times, spin around and realize that the gubbamint does not exist to support lazy people with other people's hard earned $$'s.

Next time you buy a jar of Smuckers Jam, you can thank all the LAZY IMMAGRANTS that picked the fruit and the conservatives who want to deport them and/or deny them basic heath care.

Also, your government money pays for many services you use everyday, like fire, police, highways and most importantly ATC.
So if you think your money is supporting lazy people, than go out and pick your own fruit, fight your own fires, solve your own crimes, build your own roads, and try to shoot a precision approach to mins without an ILS or radar services.

Your stereotyping of lazy people using government money is outdated...

 

[Typhoon1244]

I heard somewhere that the only reason the Founding Fathers included a President in their grand scheme was so that the ignorant masses would think there was still a king.

But anyway, back to Arnold...my god, he could end up being President someday. If you'd told me when I was growing up that someday, that guy from Conan the Barbarian would be the governor of any state, I'd have thought it a pretty silly idea. And Arnold may turn out to be a teriffic governor...it just sounds so...surreal!

 

[SpiderMan]

Arnold cant be president. He isnt a natural born citizen.

 

[Mogus]

Arnold cant be president. He isnt a natural born citizen.

Orrin Hatch (a Republican senator from my home state, Utah) has introduced legislation that would allow foreign-born U.S. citizens to be eligible for presidency. Right now it sounds preposterous (and in my opinion VERY scary) that Arnold could become president, yet that was the very feeling about Reagan in the 60's and 70's.

 

[fLYbUDDY]

Where is Falcon Capt? He usually has a strong opinion about politics.

 

[tolgab]

Well,

If Arnold becomes the president, Stallone would be proved right. Remember the car scene in "Demolition Man"?

 

[rettofly]

If you think Arnold can "fix" Cali, you've been smokin' to much Crystal Meth. Calling Davis a"left wing socialist" is absurd. California counted on Capital Gains taxes for revenue...when the economy went down, so did it's revenue. The only thing that will fix California is the same thing that willl fix the rest of America...the economy.

Can you say: "It's the SPENDING, STUPID!"?

The recovering economy may help to compensate for the stupidity of a government that relied on speculative investments to support its profligate spending, but it's still necessary to find ways to spend within the bounds of RELIABLE and CONSCIONABLE revenue generation. Let me count a few ways.

1. Undo the onerous regulatory and tax climate that is driving all those nasty businesses out of CA in droves. It is those nasty businesses that provide revenue growth from a REAONABLE tax structure by providing direct tax revenue and a pool of gainfully employed individual taxpayers. What a concept!

2. Stop encouraging illegal aliens ("illegal immigrant" is an oxymoron) from jumping the border by curtailing social spending on anyone who is not in this country legally.

A per capita budget deficit of $985 does not result from inadequate revenue. It comes from spending gone amuck (amok?).

 

[rettofly]

i]Originally posted by House_X [/i]
Next time you buy a jar of Smuckers Jam, you can thank all the LAZY IMMAGRANTS that picked the fruit and the conservatives who want to deport them and/or deny them basic heath care.

Ironically enough, the illegal aliens who are overrunning our country are a hard-working bunch of folks. Why? Because where they come from, they don't get support from the nanny state. Unfortunately, their children are trained very quickly by the nanny state that working hard is for losers.

Also, your government money pays for many services you use everyday, like fire, police, highways and most importantly ATC.
So if you think your money is supporting lazy people, than go out and pick your own fruit, fight your own fires, solve your own crimes, build your own roads, and try to shoot a precision approach to mins without an ILS or radar services.

You have it partly right. Services like fire, police, highways, ATC and security are properly provided by the government. But.. it's not the government's money that pays for these services. It's YOUR money! YOU earned it, YOU gave part of it to the government to spend responsibly.

Your stereotyping of lazy people using government money is outdated...

The only outdated stereotype is the notion that government should be the provider of anything but the functions for which it was established. A safety net is a good thing for those who are truly unable to provide for themselves; a cocoon to snugly enfold those who would simply prefer to be carried is immoral (to use a favorite liberal buzzword).

 

[Tim47SIP]

Common sense?

Alright retto! Dont start throwing around facts and common sense. That kind of stuff just doesn't cut it around here.

 

[flywithastick]

Next time you buy a jar of Smuckers Jam, you can thank all the LAZY IMMAGRANTS that picked the fruit and the conservatives who want to deport them and/or deny them basic heath care.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!! WORKERS UNITE!!

BARFFFF!

Where in the US Constitution does it say we owe ILLEGAL ALIENS ANYTHING!? They should be d@mn glad they get paid.

Also, your government money pays for many services you use everyday, like fire, police, highways and most importantly ATC.
So if you think your money is supporting lazy people, than go out and pick your own fruit, fight your own fires, solve your own crimes, build your own roads, and try to shoot a precision approach to mins without an ILS or radar services.

Just how does emergency and necessary centralized services compare with giving entitlements to ILLEGAL ALIENS?! That's so much of a stretch, *my* back hurts.

Your stereotyping of lazy people using government money is outdated...

and your neo-communism is still viable.

 

[rettofly]

Re: Common sense?

Alright retto! Dont start throwing around facts and common sense. That kind of stuff just doesn't cut it around here.

Oops! Did I offend anyone (to use another favorite from the liberal mantra lexicon? I sure hope so!

 

[flywithastick]

Re: Re: Common sense?

Oops! Did I offend anyone (to use another favorite from the liberal mantra lexicon? I sure hope so!

Might just be some diverse thoughts being exchanged, possibly.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Re: Common sense?

Did I offend anyone...to use another favorite from the liberal mantra lexicon?

Yeah, liberals worry about that a lot because, of course, only liberals are ever offended by anything.

Thats the great thing about stereotypes: they relieve you of the responsibility of thinking.

 

[Aerosmith]

Today Disneyland has extended its borders to coincide with the state line. I guess you poor b@stards get what you deserve.
At least you might be able to take admission. That would help the deficit!

 

[Immelman]

You know this is interesting.... no one seems to think of this theory that popped into my head recently about illegal immigation (at least in California):

The government is ENCOURAGING it!!! Liberal or conservative... here's my reasoning: You hire an illegal immigrant - how do you pay them? Under the table. Do you pay the same wage that an ordinary citizen deserves by law? No, you pay them sub-par wages because you can, and they are illegally here. The California ag. industry is a significant force in the state, and curttailing illegal immigration stands to increase their labor costs many times.

Davis was an absolute POS for signing that legislation just weeks ago to give drivers licenses TO UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS - so much for an ID being worth jack s---!! He completely folded on this issue in a desparate attempt to score the California Latino vote. I am no fan of Gray, or Arnie (who knows what his real motives are).. but the drivers license issue pretty much hit it home -- there is some big time lobbying going on, not just for votes, but from interests who have an unending supply of cheap, tax/benefit/social security-free labor from over the border.

If someone wants to come here to pick fruit - we should let them, legally...make a good understanding of english mandatory, along with the citizenship classes -- but at the same time put this 'homeland security' nonsense to good use by locking out those who don't follow the rules.

Will it happen? No. Why? Because cheap labor is a great thing for a business.

 

[mar]

I tried to resist this thread.

So. Yeah. The government of California and the United States are encouraging illegal immigration to keep the price of labor cheap.

I guess collecting taxes from those workers would be a pretty dumb idea as both govts have racked up astronomical deficits.

That's a brilliant idea. I wish I had thought of it.

As for Arnold, well, I just figured the whole thing was a lost cause when Peter Ueberoth bailed out of the race.

God forbid, a serious business man with a established history of leadership and accountability should get involved with the freak show that's become our current electoral process.

Send in the clowns.

 

[dmspilot00]

I'm not sure what Immelman meant, but I think he's right to a certain extent. They probably aren't encouraging it on purpose, but they are nonetheless.

I see two problems here. The first is illegal aliens, the second is minimum wage (should be lower, or none).

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

This is some info on how you become a citizen, and can Arnold be prez:

There are two ways to become a citizen

1-you can be born a citizen.
- there are 2 ways to do this
1-as with all countries, if you are physically born in a country you are automatically a citizen: If you're born in the US, you're a citizen, regardless of what nationality your parents are.
2-if at least one of your birth parents are a US citizen, you are automatically a US citizen when you are born, no matter where you are born: If your mom is a US citizen, and you're born in Italy, you're automatically a US citizen (you would also be an Italian citizen, and if, for example, your father was British, you would also be a British citizen).

2-you can be a naturalized citizen.
to do this, typically, you must live in the US as a legal resident for 7 years, apply for US citizenship, be allowed to take the test, pass the test: Then you are a US citizen (and if you're a citizen of one or more other countries, you are a citizen of all the countries).

Arnold is a naturalized citizen.

To be the President, you must be born a citizen (as in the 1st two examples). Hatch's bill probably states that naturalized citizens would be elligible to be President.

This issue has come up before, becuase various people in the line of succession to be Prez (VP, Speaker of the House, etc.), have not been born citizens previously, and hence would've been skipped over to be President in the line of succession, if it had come to that.

Cliff
ELP

 

[Immelman]

Sorry, I should have revised what I wrote:

What I was getting at is that the gov't is definately turning a blind eye to illegal immigration. Our government should have the resources (and the excuse, post 9/11) to do a decent job of protecting our borders, but people come across every day and take up residence illegally, without much challenge.

To me, this means one of two things:
- The state & fed gov't is completely incompetant (which ain't too far off)
- The government, at some level (state?) is intentionally ignoring illegal immigrants because of their influence in labor. We all know that every industry lobbies the gov't -- well guess what, at a state-level, Ag. is big business in California -- don't you think they have some strong opinions about cheap, under-the-table labor that they're willing to buy off the legislature/gov. with?

To me, Davis signing the bill to allow undocumented aliens drivers licenses (something he previously opposed, supposedly, but then flip-flopped on), was the last straw in "turning a blind eye" -- by doing this the state of CA is actively encouraging illegal immigration. So far, the only advantage to this attitude (that I can see) is that it keeps the price of labor down... which is great for business....

Again, sorry if I was (or am) confusing, and, sorry for strating from the topic of aviation so much

- Immelman... who is pro-immigration (so get in line and become a citizen, d@mnit!)

 

[mar]

I think it's a question of resources

Immelman--Ok. Fair enough. It's not like I've never posted anything that didn't come across exactly as I intended.

But I think, as you, that illegal immigration is a *huge* problem, but it's not the only thing of enormous proportions.

The US/Mexican border is also huge.
The coastline is also huge.
The disparity between Americans and other nations is huge
The deficit is also huge.

The problem is enormous and in my humble opinion (yeah, right) this nation simply doesn't have (or will not allocate) sufficient resources to fight it effectively--thus, the politicos pay lip service to the whole thing.

This nation has other more pressing problems right now and maybe that's a matter of opinion but I sincerely think we're gonna have to solve some of those before immigration can be tackled.