Schwarzenegger wins in California

[rettofly]

Re: Common sense?

Alright retto! Dont start throwing around facts and common sense. That kind of stuff just doesn't cut it around here.

Oops! Did I offend anyone (to use another favorite from the liberal mantra lexicon? I sure hope so!

 

[flywithastick]

Re: Re: Common sense?

Oops! Did I offend anyone (to use another favorite from the liberal mantra lexicon? I sure hope so!

Might just be some diverse thoughts being exchanged, possibly.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Re: Common sense?

Did I offend anyone...to use another favorite from the liberal mantra lexicon?

Yeah, liberals worry about that a lot because, of course, only liberals are ever offended by anything.

Thats the great thing about stereotypes: they relieve you of the responsibility of thinking.

 

[Aerosmith]

Today Disneyland has extended its borders to coincide with the state line. I guess you poor b@stards get what you deserve.
At least you might be able to take admission. That would help the deficit!

 

[Immelman]

You know this is interesting.... no one seems to think of this theory that popped into my head recently about illegal immigation (at least in California):

The government is ENCOURAGING it!!! Liberal or conservative... here's my reasoning: You hire an illegal immigrant - how do you pay them? Under the table. Do you pay the same wage that an ordinary citizen deserves by law? No, you pay them sub-par wages because you can, and they are illegally here. The California ag. industry is a significant force in the state, and curttailing illegal immigration stands to increase their labor costs many times.

Davis was an absolute POS for signing that legislation just weeks ago to give drivers licenses TO UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS - so much for an ID being worth jack s---!! He completely folded on this issue in a desparate attempt to score the California Latino vote. I am no fan of Gray, or Arnie (who knows what his real motives are).. but the drivers license issue pretty much hit it home -- there is some big time lobbying going on, not just for votes, but from interests who have an unending supply of cheap, tax/benefit/social security-free labor from over the border.

If someone wants to come here to pick fruit - we should let them, legally...make a good understanding of english mandatory, along with the citizenship classes -- but at the same time put this 'homeland security' nonsense to good use by locking out those who don't follow the rules.

Will it happen? No. Why? Because cheap labor is a great thing for a business.

 

[mar]

I tried to resist this thread.

So. Yeah. The government of California and the United States are encouraging illegal immigration to keep the price of labor cheap.

I guess collecting taxes from those workers would be a pretty dumb idea as both govts have racked up astronomical deficits.

That's a brilliant idea. I wish I had thought of it.

As for Arnold, well, I just figured the whole thing was a lost cause when Peter Ueberoth bailed out of the race.

God forbid, a serious business man with a established history of leadership and accountability should get involved with the freak show that's become our current electoral process.

Send in the clowns.

 

[dmspilot00]

I'm not sure what Immelman meant, but I think he's right to a certain extent. They probably aren't encouraging it on purpose, but they are nonetheless.

I see two problems here. The first is illegal aliens, the second is minimum wage (should be lower, or none).

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

This is some info on how you become a citizen, and can Arnold be prez:

There are two ways to become a citizen

1-you can be born a citizen.
- there are 2 ways to do this
1-as with all countries, if you are physically born in a country you are automatically a citizen: If you're born in the US, you're a citizen, regardless of what nationality your parents are.
2-if at least one of your birth parents are a US citizen, you are automatically a US citizen when you are born, no matter where you are born: If your mom is a US citizen, and you're born in Italy, you're automatically a US citizen (you would also be an Italian citizen, and if, for example, your father was British, you would also be a British citizen).

2-you can be a naturalized citizen.
to do this, typically, you must live in the US as a legal resident for 7 years, apply for US citizenship, be allowed to take the test, pass the test: Then you are a US citizen (and if you're a citizen of one or more other countries, you are a citizen of all the countries).

Arnold is a naturalized citizen.

To be the President, you must be born a citizen (as in the 1st two examples). Hatch's bill probably states that naturalized citizens would be elligible to be President.

This issue has come up before, becuase various people in the line of succession to be Prez (VP, Speaker of the House, etc.), have not been born citizens previously, and hence would've been skipped over to be President in the line of succession, if it had come to that.

Cliff
ELP

 

[Immelman]

Sorry, I should have revised what I wrote:

What I was getting at is that the gov't is definately turning a blind eye to illegal immigration. Our government should have the resources (and the excuse, post 9/11) to do a decent job of protecting our borders, but people come across every day and take up residence illegally, without much challenge.

To me, this means one of two things:
- The state & fed gov't is completely incompetant (which ain't too far off)
- The government, at some level (state?) is intentionally ignoring illegal immigrants because of their influence in labor. We all know that every industry lobbies the gov't -- well guess what, at a state-level, Ag. is big business in California -- don't you think they have some strong opinions about cheap, under-the-table labor that they're willing to buy off the legislature/gov. with?

To me, Davis signing the bill to allow undocumented aliens drivers licenses (something he previously opposed, supposedly, but then flip-flopped on), was the last straw in "turning a blind eye" -- by doing this the state of CA is actively encouraging illegal immigration. So far, the only advantage to this attitude (that I can see) is that it keeps the price of labor down... which is great for business....

Again, sorry if I was (or am) confusing, and, sorry for strating from the topic of aviation so much

- Immelman... who is pro-immigration (so get in line and become a citizen, d@mnit!)

 

[mar]

I think it's a question of resources

Immelman--Ok. Fair enough. It's not like I've never posted anything that didn't come across exactly as I intended.

But I think, as you, that illegal immigration is a *huge* problem, but it's not the only thing of enormous proportions.

The US/Mexican border is also huge.
The coastline is also huge.
The disparity between Americans and other nations is huge
The deficit is also huge.

The problem is enormous and in my humble opinion (yeah, right) this nation simply doesn't have (or will not allocate) sufficient resources to fight it effectively--thus, the politicos pay lip service to the whole thing.

This nation has other more pressing problems right now and maybe that's a matter of opinion but I sincerely think we're gonna have to solve some of those before immigration can be tackled.

 

[rettofly]

Re: I think it's a question of resources

Immelman--Ok. Fair enough. It's not like I've never posted anything that didn't come across exactly as I intended.

But I think, as you, that illegal immigration is a *huge* problem, but it's not the only thing of enormous proportions.

The US/Mexican border is also huge.
The coastline is also huge.
The disparity between Americans and other nations is huge
The deficit is also huge.

The problem is enormous and in my humble opinion (yeah, right) this nation simply doesn't have (or will not allocate) sufficient resources to fight it effectively--thus, the politicos pay lip service to the whole thing.

This nation has other more pressing problems right now and maybe that's a matter of opinion but I sincerely think we're gonna have to solve some of those before immigration can be tackled.

Agree completely. Two observations: "Illegal immigration" is an oxymoron, since immigration, by definition, presumes legal admission of a foreign national. What scares me is the notion that those who are responsible for our most pressing problem are astute enough to take advantage of our open borders.