Scabs are working NOW!!

[Butters]

I don't recall the mechanics refusing to work when the NWA pilots went on strike in '98.

Funny how quick some people forget that.

 

[mckpickle]

NWA is just doing what it has to do and the replacement mechanics are doing what they have to do to put food on the table. You would too in the same situation.

Are you really this retarded? Go take your 100 hours and come back when your opinion matters.

I suppose your profile says it all. Lowering the bar.........Bet you can't wait to cross a line. Hey, try Go Jets. I'd love to add your name to a list.

 

[ohplease!]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't all the other labor groups at Northwest agree to concessions except for those represented by AMFA? If that is true, I can see why other groups aren't striking in sympathy.

Idiot! wouldn't you call the fact that the AMFA ranks have been trimmed by NWA from around 9000 to less that 4500 since 9/11 a concession? Thats more than 50% job losses already. I think thats a hell of a concession. NWA didn't offer or want reasonable concessions from AMFA. They want to get rid of AMFA. The offer from NWA was cut another 50%+ of thier members and give the remaining members a 26% pay cut. Its a blatant attempt to crush that union (happens to be the smallest one there and the one with the least resources to fight back). NOTHING MORE! If it works, COUNT on NWA going after the flight attendants next and then right on down the line.

There have been some FA's walking with AMFA and some pilots helping out by not accepting planes with questionable maintenance issues. Hopefully it will be enough. Good luck AMFA.

 

[pilotmyf]

DX Rick, being a pilot is what most people do on this board. True their are tons of other professions out their but we choose to do this one.

Go put a flight plan together and fly your piper/cessna ass off this website you 900hr little Flightsim terd.

And don't forget to call flight service to close it. I think you can reach them on YOU'READOUCHEBAG VOR.

 

[flybrowntails]

Unions are done.

(try telling that to a jersey teamster driving a truck--man it's funny just thinking about it)

scabs.

fbt

 

[mecfii]

Lets face it the industry has started to change, for the worse as far as career opportunity and pay. There is a new standard for pay, well substandard for pay. The companies are getting use to paying all of its employees less and when then get back on their feet don't think you will see the return in kind in your paycheck.

I have actual heard crewmembers from profitable companies stat they had been asked to lower their pay since the industry standard is now lower on average. At this point I am getting a sick feeling in my stomach that all the money I pay and have paid to the union is just padding someone else’s pocket.

The scabs crossing the line are just people trying to make a living, so don’t blame them. Most of us at some point have been out of work or under paid and know how tough it can be. I know NW is just doing what they think they need to do to survive and the mechanics are doing what they think they must do, however in these rough times for most airlines I don’t think it is to wise to push your company closer to going under. The mechanics should have looked at the big picture before striking.

Didn’t they realize how many unemployed A&P mechanics are out there on the street without a job? To me striking was not the smart thing to do, since NW can so easily replace the work force. A strike is only affective if it will truly hurt the company Sorry to say I just think the NW mechanics are just pissing in the wind.

 

[TonyC]

The scabs crossing the line are just people trying to make a living, so don’t blame them. Most of us at some point have been out of work or under paid and know how tough it can be.

Most of us don't work as prostitutes or drug dealers, either.

Prostitutes are "just people trying to make a living."

Drug dealers are "just people trying to make a living."







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[Redtailer]

Lear 70 has it pretty much right. AMFA manage to PO every other union on the property. They stole the IAM members with promises of grandure, not to mention trying to stick the IAM with a LARGER share of paycuts so that AMFA members could take a SMALLER paycut.

At a time the pilots gave up $260mil worth of concessions AMFA was trying to get pay raises and thumbing their noses at ALPA. About the only large union they didn't try to screw was the PFAA. So why oh why would the IAM or ALPA be inclined to honor the picket line of a union that has done nothing except act in its own interest and saying to he** with the other unions?

Bottom line is AMFA made their bed and now they have to lie in it. The flight attendants may not be replaced, but the company certainly wants to outsource their work.

 

[IndyGTP]

I don't recall the mechanics refusing to work when the NWA pilots went on strike in '98.

Funny how quick some people forget that.

AMFA wasn't on the property in 98. It was the IAM.

This strike is not so much about pay... ITS ABOUT JOBS!

 

[pilotmyf]

Most of us don't work as prostitutes or drug dealers, either.

Prostitutes are "just people trying to make a living."

Drug dealers are "just people trying to make a living."







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That's quite a stretch Anthony. There always has to be that one person that takes an intelligent thread and hijacks it with their stupidity that they think is pure wit.

 

[Tomct]

Well all I can say is that this is going to create one HUGE problem. If they outsource the MX, what is to stop these companies from continuing on down the line. If they break One Union, The Others are possibly next! I hope the best for the NW MX boys/girls! All the unions should stick together or they will end up losing out....I FEAR!

 

[Tim47SIP]

Darned 3PMP's!

There is really nothing the Union can do. The trend in the inustry is to move to 3PMP's or Third Party Maintenance Providers such as PMCO and TIMCO. The requirements in FAR Part 145 are very loosely worded and allows for non 121 certificated mechanics to work on 121 aircraft. In addition, MSG3 or Maintenance Steering Group 3 is also a problem in that it lets the carriers regulate their own TBO's without FAA supervision. 3PMP's cost 50 - 60% less than using your own in house maintenance. Direct competition has lead to any form of cost reduction, and maintenance costs are a big part of the operation. Look at Delta moving most or all of its havy checks to 3PMP's in El Salvador and Alaskan is 100% outsourced. NWA has no other option but to outsource some or all of their maintenance to these lowball companies. The airlines can no longer support the $70-90,000 dollar per year mechanics (although they are worth every penny in my eyes) and still survive.

The AMFA has a reputation for not working towards the best interests of the companies (not that sometimes the companies may deserve what they get). There is always a conspiracy theory that they base their actions on and they usually do more damage than good. Blaming the other Unions that have done their homework is not the answer. BK is inevitable, and the company can go on forever with 3PMP's ready to perform the maintenance. The mechanics will eventually find themselves in a position that they wont be able to overcome. If the Union is providing a weekly or monthly stipend, it wont last forever. The Union will end up doing the same thing that the Grocers strike did in California. Quit paying union benifits and capitulate at much lower benifits than the original offer was because the Union was loosing to much money.

NWA is doing what every other company is doing and that is sending most of their maintenance to 3PMP's. Striking to keep all of the mechanics on the payroll without a reduction in pay is futile in todays environment. Another approach may have been wise at this point.

 

[TonyC]

That's quite a stretch Anthony. There always has to be that one person that takes an intelligent thread and hijacks it with their stupidity that they think is pure wit.

If you think I think that's witty, you're sorely mistaken; I see no wit at all. All I did is take someone's weak logic ("The scabs crossing the line are just people trying to make a living, so don’t blame them.") and take it to a logical extreme. The obvious absurdity exposes the flaws of the logic to an objective observer, but it will not open the eyes of one who prefers to be blind.


If you agree with the logic applied in this statement, then you believe in the logic applied in the two statements I provided. It's the same logic.

If you disagree with the logic applied in the two statements I provided, then you must disagree with the logic of the scab's excuse. It's the same logic.




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[Tram]

Why isn't there more of an outrage about the scabs replacing the NWA mechanics out there?

Because being a scab these days is an "acceptable" practice.. Everytime I speak out against scabs I get blasted.

 

[Towelie]

Because being a scab these days is an "acceptable" practice.. Everytime I speak out against scabs I get blasted.

Screw you, Tram. Take your garbage somewhere else!

JUST KIDDING... I agree with you totally. Unfortunately, being a scab or a scab-like intentional non-union worker (read:G-o-J-e-t-s) is not like the death sentance that it once was. I'm not advocating burning cars and beating guys silly, mind you. I do think that with the economy down the line "doing what I have to" is too much of a free pass for some.

I guess this industry really isn't what it used to be.

 

[Tram]

Yeh, the industry isn't nor will it ever be what it once was.. If I ever am ever given a "Scab list" - I'll keep it..

 

[FrustratedCFI]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't NWA's AMFA comprised mostly (i.e. over 50%) of ramp workers and not mechanics. Sorry, You're not going to get any sympathy from me for guys making 50k cleaning airplanes and loading bags with only a GED. Can the mechanics seperate from the rest of their local? Maybe then they can return to the table.

 

[stillflyn]

NWA is just doing what it has to do and the replacement mechanics are doing what they have to do to put food on the table. You would too in the same situation.

Do us all a fovor and forget to put your gear down the next time you go flying jr. I think that I can speak for most pilots on this board when I say... we don't want pilot like you in this industry.

Stillflyn

 

[Tram]

Do us all a fovor and forget to put your gear down the next time you go flying jr. I think that I can speak for most pilots on this board when I say... we don't want pilot like you in this industry.

Stillflyn

Amen...

 

[front9]

Originally posted by 410dud
I have decided to come out of the closet and declare that Kngarthur and I are gay.

WOW dude, WTFO?