SCABS and the industry.

[habubuaza]

I have seen this debated time and again. The debate as to whether or not there is fairness when discriminating against scabs both hard and soft. I was curious as to whether or not pilots of other airlines have had a problem with scabs. Are there many Eastern scabs at your airline? How about former United or Contintental Scabs? And if you guys do have scabs are any of them in management or are they checkairman or do they have any affect on hiring whatsoever? What tactics do the pilots at your airline employ if any to neutralize the negative effects of those scabs? I didn't think I would care but I have been at some smaller airlines with a significant number of scabs and although initially I didn't have any personal ill will toward them, I have always kept my eyes on them and have been careful what I have said around them. Well now that I can look back over the past few years in dealing with scabs I can tell you for sure that they DO EXHIBIT SPECIFIC BEHAVIORAL TRAITS. They are generally back stabbing, they try to get in personally with the owner of the airline or members of management, they have no regards whatsoever about seniority, and everything you say they repeat back to management. But they do it all with a smile. They inintially seem so nice. And if I have another Eastern scab try to explain to me why he got screwed over and ended up on the list I think I am going to scream. What a bunch of selfish f%ckers! I have no sympathy or regard for thoses blood sucking leaches. So I kindly ask to those pilots of the following airlines:
Jet Blue
Air Tran
Frontier
America West (somewhat familiar)
FedEX
UPS
What type of scab problems if any do you have and how far up the chain of command (management) have they been able to infiltrate?
Thanks

 

[TexaSWA]

Thats a great story and question to use during an interview when one of these companies finally calls you. Let us know what they tell you. Im sure were all dying to know.

 

[Snakum]

Thats a great story and question to use during an interview when one of these companies finally calls you.

LMAO!

I don't have a dog in this fight, because I'll never make it past a 135 King Air, if that far, but I do have an observation and a question ...

First, I have spoken with two pilots over the years, one off-the-street who crossed at Eastern and is now with a national/charter airline, another crossed from within Continental and is still there ASFAIK, and both said that in all the years they have been jumpseating they have never been denied a seat. Further, I read here all the time that so-and-so national and major airline (pax and Fr8) has hired those who crossed from Eastern, UAL, and CO.

So, I have to ask ... if there are evidently NO repercussions from their actions all those years ago, why so much vitriol here when it's discussed? Have any of you guys actually denied a seat to someone on the list?

Just curious, because I find the whole issue fascinating.

Minh

 

[ChinaClipper]

Never forget.......

never, ever, never EVER FORGET! Even the pseudo-scabs of late, especially the Freedumb Air types, self-serving scum..... kill'em all........Just like politicians, there are ways to read a persons personal traits. A person who has flaws in one part of their lives rarely have it compartmentalised. It is a symptom of a bigger problem. My experience has shown that, over and over. Scabing is just one part of their flaws, personal and professional. Kinda like Bill Clinton, you may like him, but ya know that down deep there is something not quite right, and at the right moment, your a$$ is going over the side to save his. Not a comforting thought, in the cockpit or in life. Horay for me, the he11 with you; the type of mediocrity that makes the world a worse place than it has too be. I rank'em up there with welfare cheats, corporate cheats and extreamist wackos, left or right.....Keep this in mind the next time you see one; Is today the day they toss you over for another dollar? Super senority?

 

[scoreboard]

Wow

So, my family is going to go hungry, we'll loose the house and car, have to move in with the family, but thats OK. It's not OK to provide for your loved ones? **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** hard question. Hope it never happens to me, my thoughts are if it comes down to it, I'll go on some type of medical leave for some symptom of something, thoughts?

 

[TexaSWA]

Dont ever SCAB.

And dont ever post pointless flame threads and stupid questions on the board about it either.

 

[FL717]

I have seen this debated time and again. The debate as to whether or not there is fairness when discriminating against scabs both hard and soft. I was curious as to whether or not pilots of other airlines have had a problem with scabs. Are there many Eastern scabs at your airline? How about former United or Contintental Scabs? And if you guys do have scabs are any of them in management or are they checkairman or do they have any affect on hiring whatsoever? What tactics do the pilots at your airline employ if any to neutralize the negative effects of those scabs? I didn't think I would care but I have been at some smaller airlines with a significant number of scabs and although initially I didn't have any personal ill will toward them, I have always kept my eyes on them and have been careful what I have said around them. Well now that I can look back over the past few years in dealing with scabs I can tell you for sure that they DO EXHIBIT SPECIFIC BEHAVIORAL TRAITS. They are generally back stabbing, they try to get in personally with the owner of the airline or members of management, they have no regards whatsoever about seniority, and everything you say they repeat back to management. But they do it all with a smile. They inintially seem so nice. And if I have another Eastern scab try to explain to me why he got screwed over and ended up on the list I think I am going to scream. What a bunch of selfish f%ckers! I have no sympathy or regard for thoses blood sucking leaches. So I kindly ask to those pilots of the following airlines:
Jet Blue
Air Tran
Frontier
America West (somewhat familiar)
FedEX
UPS
What type of scab problems if any do you have and how far up the chain of command (management) have they been able to infiltrate?
Thanks

Is this really a question or a veiled attempt at expressing your stupidity? I can honestly say that the latter is what immediately comes to mind. This is a result of you admitting you have no personal ill will towards scabs... then wind yourself up with your "I hate scabs" chant, followed by some ridiculously assinine "question".

Who cares?

Grow up kiddie.

Why don't you just stop with the "I have a question" thread mask and come straight out and state your obvious opinion .... which is "I hate scabs, but I'm too big a p$ssy to sign my name".

BTW - I'm not a scab, but you know what, after reading your post, its very apparent to me that dealing with a person of your obvious limited intellect, it wouldn't matter if I was....... because you're too stupid for me to engage in a meaningful discourse about labor/management relations, and too far beneath me to care about anything you have to say with regards to aviation.

 

[SWAdude]

nd both said that in all the years they have been jumpseating they have never been denied a seat.

But its always on their mind. And that would be a miserable way to have a career.

 

[habubuaza]

Re: Re: SCABS and the industry.

Is this really a question or a veiled attempt at expressing your stupidity? I can honestly say that the latter is what immediately comes to mind. This is a result of you admitting you have no personal ill will towards scabs... then wind yourself up with your "I hate scabs" chant, followed by some ridiculously assinine "question".

Who cares?

Grow up kiddie.

Why don't you just stop with the "I have a question" thread mask and come straight out and state your obvious opinion .... which is "I hate scabs, but I'm too big a p$ssy to sign my name".

BTW - I'm not a scab, but you know what, after reading your post, its very apparent to me that dealing with a person of your obvious limited intellect, it wouldn't matter if I was....... because you're too stupid for me to engage in a meaningful discourse about labor/management relations, and too far beneath me to care about anything you have to say with regards to aviation.

The fact of the matter is you still didn't answer my question. And for whatever reason you find it necessary to attack me personally. Perhaps I struck a nerve with you, whatever the reason you have to live with it. I am very willing to debate you but I will not sink to the level of personal attacks my friend. Nice try.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Perhaps you should begin by asking why Duane Woerth had cake and ice cream while posing for photos with Continental scabs when Continental was welcomed back into ALPA!

I do not know of a single case where ALPA has required a penny of back dues, or even an apology, from those who crossed picket lines to undermine their coworkers during a strike.

No, I don't particularly like scabs. But my union has demonstrated that scabs are more valuable as votes to dilute the effect of growing RJ pilot membership, than are dues paying members at the 34 non preferred ALPA carriers.

If you are going to be angry about the scab issue - you might first begin by aiming a few tough questions back at your own union leadership.

But to answer your question - Yes we have a scab problem at all those airlines and it goes all the way to the top of ALPA National.

 

[Publishers]

and who cares

Children, can we never move on.

You cannot even get loyalty out of your own unions and you run around labeling others for their lack of loyalty to your cause, maybe not theirs.

 

[Snakum]

Though I'm not working in aviation, I have had a taste of organized labor from both sides of the fence and am very curious about related issues. I've always wondered about this ...

Given that Freedom Air was clearly (according to those who know better than I) created as leverage against Mesa during contract talks, yet members of ALPA from both Mesa and US Air joined up immediately, if this was say ... 1970, would the repercussions of these actions have been more severe? Would the original Freedom pilots have actually suffered as a result (denied seats, kicked out of ALPA, etc.) or would ALPA's (and it's member's) response have been as the same as it has been today?

Just curious ...

Minh

 

[FLB717]

Lets see scabs or $42 a barrel for oil, and the most pressing would be?

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Re: Wow

So, my family is going to go hungry, we'll loose the house and car, have to move in with the family, but thats OK. It's not OK to provide for your loved ones? **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** hard question.

No. It's a very simple question. You feed your family, but you don't do it off the backs of your bretheren. You do whatever you have to do, but you don't cross the line. The real question is how far are you willing to go to "feed your family"? Would you rob a bank? Kill someone? Take food off of your bretheren's family's table? Cross the line and volumes will be told about not only your character, but your understanding of what really benefits you in the long run.

 

[717pilot]

FL717 good to see you again. Looks like upgrade class is August 9th. And Im SENIOR to you!! Hey I have the same answer to him..."WHO CARES"!!

This is a true story I got it from the horses mouth---
A few months ago a USAIRWAYS pilot interviewed with AIRTRAN and the interviewer asked him what he could bring to help AIRTRAN if hired. The USAIRWAYS pilot said " Well hell Id get right in there and straighten that UNION out!!! amazing.......Needless to say he didnt get hired....

 

[T-Bags]

717, 15K hours. impressive. when did you start at Valujet? did you get to fly the 9 at Eastern?

I'm With Hugh. there is NVER a reason for scabbing. It's ALWAYS about money, ALWAYS, and those are the same lousy greedy SOB's that will screw the same company they are supposedly helping.

 

[TexaSWA]

If he's upgrading in August i'd say he probably didnt fly at ValueJet.

 

[717pilot]

T-bags...No I was a Captain for Piedmont on the Dash-8. Was hired at AIRTRAN in April 2001. Some of the best trips have been with a few Eastern scabs. I have a job to do and I do it. That was their decision......not mine. Any other comments?

 

[717pilot]

TexasSWA....Have JS on SW a few times....appreciate it! You guys are great!!

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

. Some of the best trips have been with a few Eastern scabs.

Perhaps. But will you be able to count on them when you need strength in unity?