Saying "YOU SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES" doesn't make it OK.

[Smarta$$]

Just saying "YOU SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES" does not make it OK to take other pilots jobs.

Those pilots said no because they were trying to improve the situation for themselves and the rest of the industry. You kock suckers undermined there barganing power and there efforts. And now pilots are losing their jobs from the same company that is hiring you.

 

[Tim47SIP]

OK, Dont hold back. Just let it out and tell us what you really feel!

 

[SuperKooter]

Just saying "YOU SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES" does not make it OK to take other pilots jobs.

Those pilots said no because they were trying to improve the situation for themselves and the rest of the industry. You kock suckers undermined there barganing power and there efforts. And now pilots are losing their jobs from the same company that is hiring you.

They are just angry that people don't see it their way. They are like the communists in the soviet union if you don't do as they say they eat you up. I've said it before and i'll say it again ALPA has hurt aviation more then Al Qieda

 

[Smarta$$]

They are just angry that people don't see it their way. They are like the communists in the soviet union if you don't do as they say they eat you up. I've said it before and i'll say it again ALPA has hurt aviation more then Al Qieda

Let me get this strait, Alpa hurts aviation but people that take jobs from company's that are creating alterego airlines to circumvent their own pilots scope is just fine for aviation and the pilots that work in it.

That is some flawed a$$ logic right there. People like you are hurting aviation. Some pilots actually make a stand for a better contract and low lifes swoop in to totally undermine their efforts. How does that help aviation?

Tell me? How are you low lifes helping anything but your self? How did alpa hurt aviation in this case? If the alpa pilots would have voted yes, would that have helped aviation?

 

[ReportCanoa]

I've said it before and i'll say it again ALPA has hurt aviation more then Al Qieda

Al Qieda? I think we stayed at that hotel last week. Clean, but the van was late.

 

[redbook]

Let me get this strait, Alpa hurts aviation but people that take jobs from company's that are creating alterego airlines to circumvent their own pilots scope is just fine for aviation and the pilots that work in it.

That is some flawed a$$ logic right there. People like you are hurting aviation. Some pilots actually make a stand for a better contract and low lifes swoop in to totally undermine their efforts. How does that help aviation?

Tell me? How are you low lifes helping anything but your self? How did alpa hurt aviation in this case? If the alpa pilots would have voted yes, would that have helped aviation?

Its as plain as day. The truth is irrefutable and what Smarta$$ posted will never be denied.

There will only be misdirection and lies to justify joining the alter ego g0jet.

 

[rsspilot]

Its as plain as day. The truth is irrefutable and what Smarta$$ posted will never be denied.

There will only be misdirection and lies to justify joining the alter ego g0jet.

U keep throwing out alter ego.....but if the money was right you all would have said yes....you are just a bunch of hypocrits....your NO vote had nothing to do with it getting around the 50 seat scope and everyone knows it. U just got greedy and thought you would get a better contract. GJ was formed before you voted...not after to get around you.....once again, you are angry because you said no and they moved on without you.....U SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES.

 

[rsspilot]

Just saying "YOU SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES" does not make it OK to take other pilots jobs.

Those pilots said no because they were trying to improve the situation for themselves and the rest of the industry. You kock suckers undermined there barganing power and there efforts. And now pilots are losing their jobs from the same company that is hiring you.

U didnt want the flying.......we did. That is what makes it right.....a lousy buck an hour or two does not raise or lower the bar for anyone.....U SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES.

 

[embraerjetpilot]

They tried to make a stand...unlike you worthless go jet pieces of ********************.

It is so sad to see that you have no guilt...

 

[redbook]

U didnt want the flying.......we did. That is what makes it right.....a lousy buck an hour or two does not raise or lower the bar for anyone.....U SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES.

At least the other g0jet posters are more creative. You have the same two lies and keep repeating them.

Alter ego carriers are not created over a "buck an hour".

You "wanted" the flying? Yes you did. You knowingly joined an alter ego carrier. There are no limits to how low you scumbags would go.

 

[www.]

They are just angry that people don't see it their way. They are like the communists in the soviet union if you don't do as they say they eat you up. I've said it before and i'll say it again ALPA has hurt aviation more then Al Qieda

And this guys a pilot at ASA?

So what would that make Bryan, Charlie, Skip, Chuck, Terry, Scott and all the other former managers from ASA?

How about you go into the ASA crew lounge and open your mouth with some of this? Once again, I didn't think so. All mouth behind the screen name.

 

[subin30]

U didnt want the flying.......we did. That is what makes it right.....a lousy buck an hour or two does not raise or lower the bar for anyone.....U SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES.

we? where were you before gayjets? i can't believe you are actually proud of taking away the hard earned growth (Yes it is TSAs growth) of the all the 5-20 year TSA pilots. You put less than an year to Gayjets and you are talking like you own it.

So, you tell me... lets say TSA holding starts another company in 10 years called fukgayjets and fly 90 seaters. They offer you a dollar more with a crappy contract worse then yours. You would vote yes? And be happy for those people who came off the street and took away your extra dollar? Are you that retarded. No wonder you at gayjets.

You may think you have the upper hand now. but hulas will get the last laugh...

enjoy your deadend worthless and shameful career at gayjets. I am truely happy for you.

 

[The_Russian]

What does it matter? We are regional pilots. Don't you want to move on to greener pastures? Who cares what 3rd year CA pay in an ERJ 135 is, a year later you'll be moving on.

 

[Capn Lucky]

Why is it that everytime someone asks a legitimate question about work rules, quality of life and time off at GJ, their question is ignored. Is it that bad over there? I think it may be. They think we should have voted yes because thier tool value has diminished and they trealize that their union and management are the same entities.

 

[The_Russian]

realize that their union and management are the same entities.

Sometimes I feel as though E. E. Sowell and his posse are just hangin at our corporate office.

 

[pianoman]

What does it matter? We are regional pilots. Don't you want to move on to greener pastures? Who cares what 3rd year CA pay in an ERJ 135 is, a year later you'll be moving on.

:laugh:

Riiiight. Because once you have that 1000 PIC you are in a rarified class of individual. Few posess the courage and skill needed to attain RJ captain status.

Airlines the world over will be banging down your door!

 

[temcgrew]

U keep throwing out alter ego.....but if the money was right you all would have said yes....you are just a bunch of hypocrits....your NO vote had nothing to do with it getting around the 50 seat scope and everyone knows it. U just got greedy and thought you would get a better contract. GJ was formed before you voted...not after to get around you.....once again, you are angry because you said no and they moved on without you.....U SHOULD HAVE VOTED YES.

If we would have voted YES, it would not have been an alter-ego airline.

We keep throwing out ALTER-EGO because that is what it is. They started the airline AND started hiring way before they "OFFERED" it to us the so called 5 times.

How in the world can you say we were greedy? Let me tell you about greed, how about g0jet pilots who flocked to obtain a seniority number with a new growing company that was started to get leverage on another pilot group

THEY (THE COMPANY WE ARE EMPLOYED BY) DID MOVE ON WITHOUT US. NOW THEY ARE HIRING PILOTS WHILE FURLOUGHING PILOTS AT THE SAME TIME.

"you should have voted yes" sounds like my kids taunting each other with "finders keepers....."

All of you taunting like this are either G0JET management or simply heartless jerks rubbing salt in the wound.

The situation would have been totally different if the company would have offered us the flying BEFORE they started hiring pilots. This act alone shows how they set us up and put us in a corner with ONE chance to rope in the ALTER EGO airline. As many people have pointed out, once they had hired pilots at g0jet and then offered us the contract they built in furlough protection for the g0jet pilots. It was little things like this that made so many vote NO.

What an insult to your employees who worked hard to finance the airline in the first place.

 

[The_Russian]

Riiiight. Because once you have that 1000 PIC you are in a rarified class of individual. Few posess the courage and skill needed to attain RJ captain status.

Airlines the world over will be banging down your door!

Are you agreeing with me or what? I don't get your sarcasm.

 

[pianoman]

I am not agreeing with you. Unless maybe you know 5 people at FedEx, UPS or your dad's a CAL check airman. Then you probably are correct.

I'm not bitter, but realistic. Look at the numbers. Chances are many of us will not be gone after 1-2 years on an RJ.

 

[The_Russian]

I see a good bit of people moving up at all regional airlines.

 

[pianoman]

Well I guess our experiences our different and we have to agree to disagree.

I just have a different perspective:

While many want to build this career from the top down, i.e. life sucks but that's okay because when I get the big shiny jet I'll be all right, there's a problem with that. The line at which you can afford to eat keeps moving up and up.

I think we should focus on making life bearable for the pilots starting out, and the rest of it will work its way up. You're much better off financially earning more at the beginning of your career with gradual pay increases than you are starving in your twenties and making a huge chunk of pay in your late 40's/50's.

People in almost every other line of work expect to make a livable wage. It's a shame many regional pilots don't.

Best of luck with your career however it turns out.

 

[Smarta$$]

Are you agreeing with me or what? I don't get your sarcasm.

Do all pilots not deserve to make a decent wage? Why should they have to wait 7 years at a regional just to start over at 29 dollars an hour at a major. We are all professionals.

Also, the cheaper labor is at the regional level, the more anticing it is to shift mainline flying to regionals. Thus further reducing the number of mainline jobs that you desire. Therefore, it is counter productive to all to work for these rediculous wages. But you cant make a stand because goatjet will swoop in and take your job!

 

[The_Russian]

Do all pilots not deserve to make a decent wage? Why should they have to wait 7 years at a regional just to start over at 29 dollars an hour at a major. We are all professionals.

I can agree with that. But I don't think you have to be somewhere 7 years.

Therefore, it is counter productive to all to work for these rediculous wages. But you cant make a stand because goatjet will swoop in and take your job!

What about an alter-ego clause?

 

[Shrek]

Have one in our contract. Instead they made TSA holdings which they said was NOT TSA......the NMB agreed that seperate websites constitutes a different airline and so G0 jet was born......

Do a search and you will find the actual ruling on here or at least a link.

 

[The_Russian]

Ah, the corporation.......

 

[rsspilot]

we? where were you before gayjets? i can't believe you are actually proud of taking away the hard earned growth (Yes it is TSAs growth) of the all the 5-20 year TSA pilots. You put less than an year to Gayjets and you are talking like you own it.

So, you tell me... lets say TSA holding starts another company in 10 years called fukgayjets and fly 90 seaters. They offer you a dollar more with a crappy contract worse then yours. You would vote yes? And be happy for those people who came off the street and took away your extra dollar? Are you that retarded. No wonder you at gayjets.

You may think you have the upper hand now. but hulas will get the last laugh...

enjoy your deadend worthless and shameful career at gayjets. I am truely happy for you.

Wont be here in ten years....wont be here in two....regionals are not structured to stay for a career and retire...sooner you learn that the better.

You should've voted yes.

 

[redbook]

Wont be here in ten years....wont be here in two....regionals are not structured to stay for a career and retire...sooner you learn that the better.

You should've voted yes.

See you in two years. You should have said No to g0jet. Too late for you now, learn the hard way.

 

[rsspilot]

See you in two years. You should have said No to g0jet. Too late for you now, learn the hard way.

I suppose you can stop me from going to citation shares in denver.......good luck with that.

 

[subin30]

Wont be here in ten years....wont be here in two....regionals are not structured to stay for a career and retire...sooner you learn that the better.

You should've voted yes.

yeah, we'll see...

i guess since you are leaving so soon, its ok to screw others whos been there for a career. aren't you proud of yourself... you a lot lower than i thought. good luck!

then go to citation shares. and tell everyone there your proud experience as a gayjet pilot. and please don't put Trans States Airlines Holdings on your resume or application. You are gayjets. and dont try to convince me that you gayjets are not doing that.

 

[redbook]

I suppose you can stop me from going to citation shares in denver.......good luck with that.

thats a long road to citation shares you are taking. I won't stop you. You will stop yourself. Good luck with that.