Save Frontier Airlines

[stratus72]

This whole thing is almost comical. Here you have an airline that has lower costs than SWA and UAL, and Reverend Bedford is crying a river because oil prices are high.

Now believe me, I am no fan of Frontier. I have stated in the past that they were up there with the JetBlue's and the Valujet's of the world that happily undercutting mainline wages in the late 1990's/early 2000's in order to steal market share from the legacy carriers. It is kind of ironic that they are now in the same position that we were about 10 years ago.

Regardless, if the Frontier guys fall for this crap, then they deserve what they get. All the carriers are facing high oil prices. There is ZERO reasons why any Frontier employee should have to take a pay cut other than Bedford thinking he can get away with it. No doubt higher oil prices increase costs and that some city pairs become unprofitable. But to expect the employees of Frontier to offset the cost of doing business is just crazy.

I'd be interested in hearing about what came out of the June 2 meeting.

I'm sure you would...

 

[SWA/FO]

Sad News... Sorry to all the F9 folks. On a related note: Bedford is an A$$.

 

[Jar Jar]

God Bless..
Thanks for the Ferrari.

 

[Jar Jar]

The mainline guys at UAL and DAL are trying to 'take it back'. Yet they both subsidize the [holding company] that is forcing their competition to 'give it up'.

 

[waveflyer]

The mainline guys at UAL and DAL are trying to 'take it back'. Yet they both subsidize the [holding company] that is forcing their competition to 'give it up'.

Well said.
There's no non-compete clauses anymore when mgmt figured out that regionals were good union busting tools. And when union-busting became more important than profits.

Jonjuan-
Think about what you said....

 

[SWA/FO]

JonJuan - doesn't want to be on the ONE LUV list. We don't need someone like him talking badly about Southwest. I thought, he wanted to be ONE of us? Guess, not.

 

[chqflyer]

God Bless..
Thanks for the Ferrari.

BB's daily beater is a Benz that cost more than my house.

 

[tankerhead]

Maybe the same guy that twittered the congressman's weiner shot also hacked Jon-jon's FI account?

 

[Wesb737fo]

Hmmm.. That letter from BB sounded almost like the same BS we heard from The honchos at an ATA roadshow where they were asking the "stakeholders" for concessions in order to make the airline profitable. We were given a slide show showing the gap between CASM and RASM (I think it was one cent difference) and that the other stakeholders (gecas, ilfc, banks etc) were on board and only waiting for labor. I asked the VP of flight ops what percentage of the RASM /CASM gap would be covered by labor cuts and I literally got a "shoulder shrug" and " I don't know" response. Please. As it turns out, ATA pilots probably could have worked for free and the airline would have filed Ch.11. anyway.

Good luck guys. Do your homework before taking any pay cuts. I don't think concessions and the removal of six rjs from MKE is going to help much. I'm hoping oil prices go down and we all have a Merry Christmas.

 

[Quiet Flight]

Shouldn't this be in the "Regionals" section? Or at least the "Nationals"?

JonJuan talks pretty.

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[clr4theapch]

members, please don't "quote" another post that is in Violation of the FI Rules.. suspensions are handed out to those that post and also quote others creative swearing..

Repeat offenders will see longer suspensions to and including banned from FI

MOd clr4

 

[clippyrip]

So what was the announcement?

Frontier is up for sale...

 

[Ty Webb]

I asked the VP of flight ops what percentage of the RASM /CASM gap would be covered by labor cuts and I literally got a "shoulder shrug" and " I don't know" response. Please. As it turns out, ATA pilots probably could have worked for free and the airline would have filed Ch.11. anyway.

Uh, huh. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[Sir Innocenti]

The mainline guys at UAL and DAL are trying to 'take it back'. Yet they both subsidize the [holding company] that is forcing their competition to 'give it up'.

One of the top 10 quotes of the year on FI....then the legacy pilots shun said regional pilots....stupid cycle.....

 

[maru657]

It took me less than an hour of calling, texting and e-mailing to get different answers to the situation at Frontier. A) there was no real negotiation between Feontier and SouthWest pilot groups and no communications during the last two days of the process. If the United pilots had not voted to cancel the merger with Frontier in 1986 ironically enough over seniority issues, the whole issue would be moot. If enough airlines were to drive into SouthWest hotspots like Hobby, Love etc; the business model would probably fail. It's never just black and white and historically the primary issues never change.