SAPA "Negotiations" Update

[Nevets]

I don't think they could screw them any worse than say 'take this or be out of a job' and yet it happened to a union carrier. One ALPA carrier's contract (Delta) spelled the job loss of tons of regional pilots, also represented by ALPA. There's a huge conflict of interest. Anyway, Skywest hasn't just paid its pilots "just enough" to keep a union off. They've paid higher than even their average union regional counterpart.

You actually think they pay them out of benevolence? Keep in mind that many other regionals have been thru concessions so to say that the pay higher than their average union regional, doesn't say much at all. But if its true, then you guys have the opportunity to actually raise the bar. No excuses!

ALPA is 30 something separate independent unions associating together for the betterment of the profession. Each MEC decides if they want to participate in concessions or not just as each major MEC can decide to reign in scope if they want. No MEC tells another MEC what to negotiate for. And if they did, they would be laughed out of the room. This is what you guys don't understand. There is NO conflict of interest!

 

[wms]

At that same time, did ASA not get improved work rules / day rigs to match Skywest? Asking, honest question.

That part of the contract was agreed to way prior. Somewhere in the five years of negotiations. If you think the company just through improvements on the table out of fairness with Skyw, you're wrong.

 

[fastback]

That part of the contract was agreed to way prior. Somewhere in the five years of negotiations. If you think the company just through improvements on the table out of fairness with Skyw, you're wrong.

Somewhere in that 5 years, your management decided to bring your work rules exactly up to par with Skywest Airlines'? And this was unrelated to the pay rates at Skywest being brought up to ASA's? Which happened around the same time? Big copy.

 

[wms]

They brought them up because we would have voted no otherwise, which is an option you wouldnt know about.They gave us what we wanted in our contract because of a massive slowdown following a stall in negotiations, losing travel benefits and lines that were abusive.

I don't know why you can't get it through your mind the company didn't give us anything. We got it through negotiations and sacrifice, which is quite different than coat- tailing and accepting what the company offers because there is no collective bargaining process.

 

[wms]

These two statements have zero correlation and are false. There was a 3 year period between voting down alpa and then getting rid of the HMO option. The drive failed because the majority here genuinely does not what a union no matter how the votes are counted.

We still have the option because any changes have to be negotiated. An option you would've had if you had representation.

 

[fastback]

We still have the option because any changes have to be negotiated. An option you would've had if you had representation.

Boy you sure don't like having facts get in the way of your narrative. You completely missed my point. You're so obstinate and self-righteous you don't have the ability to engage in rational discussion about the differences between Skywest and former ASA. Dunzo.

 

[nerjdriver]

I don't think they could screw them any worse than say 'take this or be out of a job' and yet it happened to a union carrier. One ALPA carrier's contract (Delta) spelled the job loss of tons of regional pilots, also represented by ALPA. There's a huge conflict of interest. Anyway, Skywest hasn't just paid its pilots "just enough" to keep a union off. They've paid higher than even their average union regional counterpart.

Dont let NEVETS see that! HAHA. Things seem to be "right" there, but any union is a business and they want your money! Being collectively bargained has alot of pros, but also cons. At the end of the day it has nothing to do about national leadership, there isn't any, its about who occupies your MEC and your LEC's that do the work for you.

I love hearing how ALPA told SKYW guys that they'd never get a job if they arent union or it helps getting one. OR that theyll get an instant raise. Bunch of BS, youll keep the status quo, have the benefits of being collectively bargained, and had access to the national committees that do a bunch of good work (medical, legal, hims, contract enforcement, scheduling, and so on).

 

[Nevets]

Dont let NEVETS see that! HAHA.

You missed my rebuttal.

 

[wrightbros]

SKY West is better off without a union because they could end up with a sked chair with lms running around pushing PBS that everyone else in the industry didn't want! ALPo is a joke they don't listen to pilots they just push what they think is best.

 

[Nevets]

SKY West is better off without a union because they could end up with a sked chair with lms running around pushing PBS that everyone else in the industry didn't want! ALPo is a joke they don't listen to pilots they just push what they think is best.

Is that what they did with flight line? Who pushed for AOS?