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Nevets

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But but SkyWest is non-union! Where do they have leverage to pay 20 year CRJ-900 Captains at $112/hr?

From the union pilots at other carriers. They even get known crewmember and they are non-union!
 

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From the union pilots at other carriers. They even get known crewmember and they are non-union!

No. The general consensus is union regionals are better and more protected for pay and QOL. What about Skywest. 9E got totally screwed in BK and struggled for 6 years under amendable date to get a new contract. Skywest has gotten payraises and such.
 

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What amazes me is how some ExpressJet pilots love to hate SkyWest.. How many SkyWest pilots here on FI and APC would start topics about ExpressJet dispatch, fo's helping rampers out and internal 'union' newsletters trying to make ExpressJet look stupid or less? ... 0

This tells me much more about certain individuals at ExpressJet than it does about SkyWest as a company..
 

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Grow a pair and move on. Otherwise, shut the F:!k up.


I have no sympathy for folks who complain about the regional business while accepting the pay and flying the machines. As long as you continue to show for work, YOU are the problem.


Bob
 

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No. The general consensus is union regionals are better and more protected for pay and QOL. What about Skywest. 9E got totally screwed in BK and struggled for 6 years under amendable date to get a new contract. Skywest has gotten payraises and such.

Well, you said it yourself. Pinnacle was in bankruptcy. If they had no union, management would have screwed them even worse. The fact is that Skywest management gives you enough to keep you non-union. The mere fact that others are unionized and Skywest isn't, helps the skywest pilots. Thus, that's how you they ride the coat tails. Everyone else is trying to fight for better with intransigent management.

You can't have it both ways. If unionized pilot groups have NEVER helped the non-unionized ones, then you can't blame the unionized ones for bringing down the non-unionized ones.

PS. Even though you conveniently ignored it, I'll say your welcome anyway.;)
 
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Myself and many others at SkyWest that went through all of the union drives would like to be union, just not ALPA.

That being said I think a union drive today would win but it been said that ALPA has lost so bad they won't try it.

Fact is ALPA is in it for the money so they are going to look out for their cash cow(s), the legacies. If ever something comes between a regional and a legacy ALPA has always sided with the money.
 

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Grow a pair and move on. Otherwise, shut the F:!k up.


I have no sympathy for folks who complain about the regional business while accepting the pay and flying the machines. As long as you continue to show for work, YOU are the problem.


Bob

Rrrriiggghhhttt..... Says the guy who created a "B Scale" to fly the little jet!
 

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What amazes me is how some ExpressJet pilots love to hate SkyWest.. How many SkyWest pilots here on FI and APC would start topics about ExpressJet dispatch, fo's helping rampers out and internal 'union' newsletters trying to make ExpressJet look stupid or less? ... 0

This tells me much more about certain individuals at ExpressJet than it does about SkyWest as a company..

^^^this guy gets it, end thread right here.
 

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Well, you said it yourself. Pinnacle was in bankruptcy. If they had no union, management would have screwed them even worse. The fact is that Skywest management gives you enough to keep you non-union. The mere fact that others are unionized and Skywest isn't, helps the skywest pilots. Thus, that's how you they ride the coat tails. Everyone else is trying to fight for better with intransigent management.

You can't have it both ways. If unionized pilot groups have NEVER helped the non-unionized ones, then you can't blame the unionized ones for bringing down the non-unionized ones.

PS. Even though you conveniently ignored it, I'll say your welcome anyway.;)

I don't think they could screw them any worse than say 'take this or be out of a job' and yet it happened to a union carrier. One ALPA carrier's contract (Delta) spelled the job loss of tons of regional pilots, also represented by ALPA. There's a huge conflict of interest. Anyway, Skywest hasn't just paid its pilots "just enough" to keep a union off. They've paid higher than even their average union regional counterpart.
 

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Grow a pair and move on. Otherwise, shut the F:!k up.


I have no sympathy for folks who complain about the regional business while accepting the pay and flying the machines. As long as you continue to show for work, YOU are the problem.


Bob
Wow,
There is really one other guy who gets it...
 

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I don't think they could screw them any worse than say 'take this or be out of a job' and yet it happened to a union carrier. One ALPA carrier's contract (Delta) spelled the job loss of tons of regional pilots, also represented by ALPA. There's a huge conflict of interest. Anyway, Skywest hasn't just paid its pilots "just enough" to keep a union off. They've paid higher than even their average union regional counterpart.

You actually think they pay them out of benevolence? Keep in mind that many other regionals have been thru concessions so to say that the pay higher than their average union regional, doesn't say much at all. But if its true, then you guys have the opportunity to actually raise the bar. No excuses!

ALPA is 30 something separate independent unions associating together for the betterment of the profession. Each MEC decides if they want to participate in concessions or not just as each major MEC can decide to reign in scope if they want. No MEC tells another MEC what to negotiate for. And if they did, they would be laughed out of the room. This is what you guys don't understand. There is NO conflict of interest!
 
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At that same time, did ASA not get improved work rules / day rigs to match Skywest? Asking, honest question.

That part of the contract was agreed to way prior. Somewhere in the five years of negotiations. If you think the company just through improvements on the table out of fairness with Skyw, you're wrong.
 

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That part of the contract was agreed to way prior. Somewhere in the five years of negotiations. If you think the company just through improvements on the table out of fairness with Skyw, you're wrong.

Somewhere in that 5 years, your management decided to bring your work rules exactly up to par with Skywest Airlines'? And this was unrelated to the pay rates at Skywest being brought up to ASA's? Which happened around the same time? Big copy.
 

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They brought them up because we would have voted no otherwise, which is an option you wouldnt know about.They gave us what we wanted in our contract because of a massive slowdown following a stall in negotiations, losing travel benefits and lines that were abusive.

I don't know why you can't get it through your mind the company didn't give us anything. We got it through negotiations and sacrifice, which is quite different than coat- tailing and accepting what the company offers because there is no collective bargaining process.
 

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These two statements have zero correlation and are false. There was a 3 year period between voting down alpa and then getting rid of the HMO option. The drive failed because the majority here genuinely does not what a union no matter how the votes are counted.

We still have the option because any changes have to be negotiated. An option you would've had if you had representation.
 

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We still have the option because any changes have to be negotiated. An option you would've had if you had representation.

Boy you sure don't like having facts get in the way of your narrative. You completely missed my point. You're so obstinate and self-righteous you don't have the ability to engage in rational discussion about the differences between Skywest and former ASA. Dunzo.
 

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I don't think they could screw them any worse than say 'take this or be out of a job' and yet it happened to a union carrier. One ALPA carrier's contract (Delta) spelled the job loss of tons of regional pilots, also represented by ALPA. There's a huge conflict of interest. Anyway, Skywest hasn't just paid its pilots "just enough" to keep a union off. They've paid higher than even their average union regional counterpart.

Dont let NEVETS see that! HAHA. Things seem to be "right" there, but any union is a business and they want your money! Being collectively bargained has alot of pros, but also cons. At the end of the day it has nothing to do about national leadership, there isn't any, its about who occupies your MEC and your LEC's that do the work for you.

I love hearing how ALPA told SKYW guys that they'd never get a job if they arent union or it helps getting one. OR that theyll get an instant raise. Bunch of BS, youll keep the status quo, have the benefits of being collectively bargained, and had access to the national committees that do a bunch of good work (medical, legal, hims, contract enforcement, scheduling, and so on).
 

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SKY West is better off without a union because they could end up with a sked chair with lms running around pushing PBS that everyone else in the industry didn't want! ALPo is a joke they don't listen to pilots they just push what they think is best.
 

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SKY West is better off without a union because they could end up with a sked chair with lms running around pushing PBS that everyone else in the industry didn't want! ALPo is a joke they don't listen to pilots they just push what they think is best.

Is that what they did with flight line? Who pushed for AOS?
 
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