Sale of corporate aircraft.

[macatstarr]

Anyone know of any corporate aircraft for sale that aren't actively trying to be sold?, preferably Citations, King Airs, Falcons, and Gulfstreams.

Ladies and gentlement, if you don't know, their is easy money to be made with the right information. I am a young college grad who has been employed by a preowned aircraft dealership for almost a year now. You wouldn't believe the number of pilot's out there GETTING RICH off giving leads for so called "sleeper" aircraft. These are aircraft that are for sale, but not actively being sold or just not known to be for sale.

These "bird dog" fees can be very significant, even as high as six figures for the right info. I've seen first hand! Any of you drivers out there who don't want me letting the cat out of the bag, you can kiss my A__. Its time to share the wealth.

PM me for details and contact info.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Anyone know of any corporate aircraft for sale that aren't actively trying to be sold?, preferably Citations, King Airs, Falcons, and Gulfstreams.

Ladies and gentlement, if you don't know, their is easy money to be made with the right information. I am a young college grad who has been employed by a preowned aircraft dealership for almost a year now. You wouldn't believe the number of pilot's out there GETTING RICH off giving leads for so called "sleeper" aircraft. These are aircraft that are for sale, but not actively being sold or just not known to be for sale.

These "bird dog" fees can be very significant, even as high as six figures for the right info. I've seen first hand! Any of you drivers out there who don't want me letting the cat out of the bag, you can kiss my A__. Its time to share the wealth.

PM me for details and contact info.

So your the pecker head that keep calling me every week to see if our airplane is for sale!!!!!!!!!

Just as bad as telemarketers

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Amway flunkee.

 

[weekendwarrior]

I worked for a small aircraft broker. That industry is full of scumbags. Glorified car salesmen, if you ask me. While there are some larger, reputable dealers, most of the small ones are a real hoot! My boss used to tell me to drive around airports writing down tail numbers. Looking up these people info and old calling people to ask if their airplane was for sale is not my line of work. Needless to say I didnt last at that job.

He used to send out postcards saying "I'd like to buy your airplane". When they called just for information in the event it would be a good deal for them to sell, they were told that we had buyers who might be interested in their airplane, but needed a listing contract in order to sell it to these "potential" buyers. Then, he would spend alot of time on the phone with them beating their asking price down so he could capitalize on the difference. All in all, he never wanted to buy their aircraft! Real sh!tbags in that industry. Gotta watch out for them. Oh yeah, made me sign a confidentiality agreement that I wouldn't quit and take my "expert" knowledge with me and compete against him. Don't worry, Bud, I won't!

 

[macatstarr]

You guys are right, and weekendwarrior, you hit the nail on the head. However I work for one of the larger dealer/brokers in the US & truth be known, even some manufactures have stooped to the lowested level. Even had one try and sell our inventory a/c to a European Client for a 1,000,000 in profit, without us finding out about it. I see crazy happenings like that on a daily basis.

This industry is out of hand.I'm not going to make a career out of it either, especially not when I can be a pilot making 1/2 a million a year in kick backs for privy info.

 

[G100driver]

This industry is out of hand.I'm not going to make a career out of it either, especially not when I can be a pilot making 1/2 a million a year in kick backs for privy info.

????????? I must have it all wrong.

 

[501261]

Hey man it happens, just look around. Ever notice a flight department manager driving around in a new car or buying a new house shortly after his company buys a new airplane . I'm sure it was because of the raise .

Let me just say this, I have never accepted a finders fee, kickback, etc. for work I have done for my company. For the simple reason that I could not accept having my boss question my integrity.

Then again we also don't deal with "those kinds of aircraft dealers". Not that I don't have certain numbers from Florida or Texas on "call block".

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Hey man it happens, just look around. Ever notice a flight department manager driving around in a new car or buying a new house shortly after his company buys a new airplane . I'm sure it was because of the raise .

Let me just say this, I have never accepted a finders fee, kickback, etc. for work I have done for my company. For the simple reason that I could not accept having my boss question my integrity.

Then again we also don't deal with "those kinds of aircraft dealers". Not that I don't have certain numbers from Florida or Texas on "call block".

I bet I know the Texas number you are blocking......Dallas area right?........that one is a real piece of work!

 

[Otter]

starts with a P?

 

[FlyFlyFly]

Is the other one in Ft Lauderdale?

 

[macatstarr]

Gotten a handful of leads already..... thank you

I guess in the end all you got is your intergrity and knowning you've done the right thing. Good job all you stand up guys. With your great character and $.60 you can buy a coke.

I'm just try to share the wealth here! we pay the same guys over and over. Just trying to give others a chance.

Morality, like the Law can be a very ambiguous thing.


The Pecker head/ amway flunkee guy.

 

[Otter]

I thought I was going to ignore you until that final comment.

Integrity is worth more than a coke, and if you were anything but fresh from your mommy's nipp!e you would know that. I have been at this game for a while now and have seen your type come and go. A few "laws" or truths I've learned is, one: bottom feeders like you dont share, two: the grass is rarely greener, and three: there is better money and more of it when you dont cheat your way in.

Go crawl back under your rock, but before you go, please give your name so we can make sure we look for your resume down the road when you decide to fly and make that cool half a mil you are talking about.

 

[macatstarr]

Otter, I believe I'll crawl under that rock now that you've hurt my feelings. So brutal!

 

[R0NIN]

I don't know what world your living in...

But I have seen the same aircraft on controller for months and months (used to broker while I flight instructed)..... Why waste your time being a 'bird dawg,' when there is NO ONE buying airplanes. It's like the boat market... when times are good, anyone can close deals, when times are bad, you feel it. As of right now, retail IS wholesale, and no one is looking to get rid of their pride and joy for wholesale!!!!

Good Luck, just keep an eye on some of these larger brokers inventories..... they haven't sold @#$$@!!!!!

 

[Kingairrick]

I wonder how long I would stay employed after I cashed that check...or is it in greasy 20s?

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Macatstarr comebacks.....

If you were truley thinking outside of the box you could have offered to sell some of that AMWAY soap to wash there peckerheads, explaining how it would take care of that Wisconson-cheeze-stick syndrome they have been experiencing......but then again, I'm not much of a "closer" when it comes to sales. I just fly 'em!

XXOO

 

[R0NIN]

I bet your not much of a closer Jeff... Closers don't get furloughed... actually closers stay out of this industry altogether.

 

[satpak77]

I would argue that....

the honest and straight-up brokers/dealers out there enjoy a good business

those types have a reputation for honesty and do not resort to mailing "Sell Me Your Plane" cards to all the planes at the local airport, they don't need too.

I know one such person, who operates via e-mail, cell-fone, has no real office, and does about 3-5 deals a year involving clean 182's, 210's, also King Air's, Citations, etc. He probably takes in 100K a year income. Flies different stuff, and controls his own hours (for the most part, the client comes first).

Honest guy, professional.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

Hey RONIN

RONIN:

I can't argue with that. However, my career could have gone smother in this industry if SATPAK77 would have supplied me with what is on is AVITAR!

Luckily I have been back in the saddle for over year now. Maybe some of that Vasiline would help with those saddle sores......or should I say saddle "soars", but that would be too punny.

I love the smell of Jet A in the morning, that......that gasoline smell, it's the smell of victory!

Jeff

 

[satpak77]

lol

yeah that Vaseline represents a much-used item during my aviation career

 

[Mr.B]

Seems there is some expertise on this board. Question...where would you start looking for a King-Air if you were in the opening rounds of such an aquisition for your growing company?

Serious replys if you please.

Mr.B

 

[501261]

Seems there is some expertise on this board. Question...where would you start looking for a King-Air if you were in the opening rounds of such an aquisition for your growing company?

Serious replys if you please.

Mr.B

There's a bunch of King Air's out there. A huge difference in capabilities and price. So I'd recommend first looking at your own needs, do you want a 90, 100, 200, 350? How many people are going on your trips, how long are these trips, what are the future needs, do you plan on spending $400K or $4M?

Once you've got this narrowed down you'll still have a bunch of choices on that particular model of King Air. So simply start calling the ones on the market (www.executivecontroller.com or www.aso.com) and see who's in a hurry to sell and who's got an inflated opionion of their airplane's worth. Before you know it you'll start getting a bunch of calls offering a "great deal."

Good luck

 

[Mr.B]

Thanks...I should have mentioned, a 200 is what we're after.

I've cyber-shopped quite a bit and have a handle on whats on the market from that source. I've avoided (so far) actually contacting dealers/brokers. Let the deluge begin I suppose.

Mr.B

 

[satpak77]

also touch base with Raytheon ReSale, you will see higher prices, its like buying a used Honda from a Honda dealer, but might be good idea to touch base with them and see what haggling you can do with them.

Also, in my opinion, sometimes buying "Factory Certified" preowned airplanes offers some enhanced warranty and legal protection, and sometimes you will feel better in the end.

just my 2 cents, but many feel that way, versus buying from some fly-by-night broker, who may dump his cell fone and close up shop overnight.

Also (and I will stop), reach out the NBAA, I believe they have a list of reputable brokers, dealers or can point you in right direction.

You can buy B200's all day long, don't know what year model you are after, maybe the owner wants the "new feel", but you can get that with a 1997 model versus brand spanking new. And save $$$ also.

see ya

 

[jergar999]

Please PM me. I want to be rich, and have done just enough disgusing underhanded things in my life that I have this moral relativism thing down to an art. Placed in the right circumstances I can rationalize almost anything except capital crimes, but I'm working on it.

 

[macatstarr]

I just wanted to clarify and also give Mr.B some insight. The reason I posted this is because my company has paid a handful of "birddogs" significant amounts of money, i.e. enough to buy a car, or pay for college, or hell, even buy a house! It makes me scatch my head when I hear my president agree to these figures especially since my salary comes out to about $8.00/hr. I made more money as firefighter, however I do love aviation and when I complete my ratings my boss will let me sit right seat in the 200, 550, 560 we have in the hangar.

And for you Otter, If you knew me and my background, which you don't! You would know that the only thing I have in my life is my word and my intergity! I've spent over 7 years working for uncle sam and local governments in a way that only a man with character could. I am not lying and I do not believe in misleading people or telling them I'm going to do something and not do it! I made those comments about character & the coke for myself as well as everyone else. I agree in the end all you got is your character & I know I have character whether you think so or not. I am just trying to give other people a chance to make money.

Mr. B, as you probably already know from prior post, I work in the aircraft buiness, however I do no sale aircraft, I work in Research & Acquisitions & also do all the bit_h work that none of the salesmen want to do. I specifically research King Airs and Citations. I will tell you that their are currently 113 stright 200s on the market(pre 1981) and I believe 73 King Air B-200s on the market (post 1981). They range in price from about half a million to 4 million+ for a new one which doesn't make any sense, my opinion is once you get around the 2 million mark, you should just buy a jet, Citation II or S/II or CJ. You can get a pretty good late stright 200 or early B-200 for 1 to 1.5 million with good-times/ nice panel/ and Raisbeck. If you would like I send you a comp sheet of all those aircraft on the market free of charge. ( just pm me)

What you need to know is that all dealers are going to mark up a precentage, just like any sale organization. You just need to find one and negoiate price or offer a dealer/broker a flat fee to find you the best aircraft which meet your budget and needs. Like mentioned earlier, you can look on ASO and controller to get a good Idea of what you are looking for but usually one will still need a dealer or broker. Their is alot envolved with contracts and prebuys. (one should never buy an aircraft without a prebuy, preferably I-IV inspection at a respected matenance facility) Hope this helps.