#s @ NJA

[stillaboo]

When I look on airline pilot central at the payrates, I see the huge pay disparity for the DA2000EX and the BBJ vs. the other equipment.

What percentage of the pilot group are actually captains on these aircraft though?

Can anyone supply info on what rough % or # of the pilot group is on each equipment paygrade and what the rough upgrade times are for them now?

Sorry, I did a search and didn't find the info.

 

[notaNJApilot]

yes, there is a big jump in pay from the smaller aircraft to the EX and then again to the BBJ. Right now I think we have 2 BBJs and 3 EXs, so there aren't many pilots in those fleets. Out of 2500 pilots there are roughly 23 in the BBJ and 20 in the EX. No one can say for sure how long it will take to upgrade to these fleets as a captain. My guess is no one hired today will ever make it to these fleets.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Class 4 and 5 pay is something of folklore and legend for most pilots at NJA. It seems to exist on paper but for most it will never be a tangible reality.

Anyone planning on working at NJA had better be comfortable with the Class 1,2 and 3 rates of pay.

This fact is also even more incentive to get those rates higher next time since the lions share of the seniority list will NEVER see 4 or 5 pay rates.

Not trying to be negative, just realistic.

 

[netjetwife]

While we're looking at realities....potential NJ pilots need to come prepared to work to get FO pay where it should be. Upgrade isn't fast enough (3-5 yrs or so) nor is the payscale high enough for the expensive cities the pilots are now required to use as a domicile. I suggest that the NJ pilots elect a well seasoned MEC that has shown they have the experience and talent to lead the group forward. Much has been accomplished but the NJ pilots need to Build On Success.

 

[notaNJApilot]

Upgrade is still at <2 years in the small fleets. It's only your guess that it will take 3-5 years.

 

[jherk02]

In Oct '06, the company briefed the estimated upgrade time as 2.5 to 3.5 years.

 

[tk855]

While we're looking at realities....potential NJ pilots need to come prepared to work to get FO pay where it should be. Upgrade isn't fast enough (3-5 yrs or so) nor is the payscale high enough for the expensive cities the pilots are now required to use as a domicile. I suggest that the NJ pilots elect a well seasoned MEC that has shown they have the experience and talent to lead the group forward. Much has been accomplished but the NJ pilots need to Build On Success.

I completely agree with you we need an MEC team that is very strong, one could say Team Strength!

 

[stillaboo]

While we're looking at realities....potential NJ pilots need to come prepared to work to get FO pay where it should be. Upgrade isn't fast enough (3-5 yrs or so) nor is the payscale high enough for the expensive cities the pilots are now required to use as a domicile.

Does anyone at NetJets see the loss of the multiple domiciles as a 'B scale'? Is it possible that by the time the next CBA comes up for a vote that the 'B scale' pilots forced to live in the 5 domiciles will outnumber the 'A scale' pilots?

I just see a real chance at division here, and, while I understand that the NJA pilots didn't want to give up the multiple domiciles, I really don't see the incentive for many of the new pilots who are forced to live in the 5 domiciles to try to get the multiple domicile system back for newhires or themselves, which is probably not a huge concern for the guys grandfathered in and not living in the 5 domiciles anyway - they already gave this up in the last CBA b/c it didn't impact them. However, what happens if these 'B scale' guys outnumber the 'A scalers' and want to give up the multiple domiciles for ALL pilots in exchange for higher payrates on the class 1-3 pay?

Do any of the current NJA pilots see this happening, or is the frac industry or Net Jets immune from the pressures felt at the airlines and those that the AA pilots felt when the 'A scale' there allowed a 'B scale' on their property and it ended up dividing them?

Thanks for the info on the class 4 and 5 aircraft. The NJI aircraft are all class 4 right, just not on property . . . yet?

 

[Masterplan]

Domiciles

So if a pilot gets hired today by NetJets how close to the domicile must they live? Is commuting even a possibility?

 

[Guitar Guy]

So if a pilot gets hired today by NetJets how close to the domicile must they live? Is commuting even a possibility?

New-hires do not have to live in their domicile. The company will provide a brief the day or evening before a duty day that includes the assigned show location and time. As such, a new-hire can live anywhere he or she wants as long as he or she is at the assigned show location at the appropriate time.

A friend of mine who just started here a few months ago lives about 300 miles from his domicile. So commuting is a possibility - it just depends what you are willing to deal with.