#s @ NJA

[Willy21]

I will second that a tie is important for the first day. The hotel van will drop you off at Bridgeway, that is the compnay FBO and H.Q. Any time you are there as an employee you are required to wear a tie. They say nothing about that in the packet they send you prior to the interview. But as they say, When in Rome...... Best of luck to all.

 

[Archie Bunker]

I will second that a tie is important for the first day. The hotel van will drop you off at Bridgeway, that is the compnay FBO and H.Q. Any time you are there as an employee you are required to wear a tie. They say nothing about that in the packet they send you prior to the interview. But as they say, When in Rome...... Best of luck to all.

Completely ridiculous. If they wanted you to wear a tie or a suit on the first day, they would have instructed you to do so. It's not some kind of a secret test where Derinda is taking notes on who is wearing a tie or not. You are a visitor, not an employee. Out of all the guys in my interview group, only one was wearing a tie on day one....and he looked out of place. Everyone else was wearing nice slacks and a collared shirt....plenty good enough. Save your suit and tie for day two, when you actually need them.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Everyone in my interview group wore a tie on the first day, but like Arch said, there's nothing in the paperwork to indicate that it's formal. A friend of mine carried a tie with him for that first evening so that if the majority were wearing one, he could quickly "tie one on". I think that's a good way to attack the situation. An even better idea might be to ask Derinda before flying out to CMH.

That said, I've not heard of someone getting turned down here because he wasn't wearing a tie on the first evening. Those unsuccessful candidates usually fail during the personal interview or the sim ride, not during the company presentation.

NJW - as always, just glad to help out.

 

[Cargoav8or]

Thanks for all the info folks, it is appreciated.

 

[208starcheck]

Upgrades

Upgrades are definitely more then 2 years. I don't know how much longer but I can tell you it's more then 2 years. When I upgrade I can tell you how long it takes. I have bids in for EVERYTHING and I'm now over 2 years. Hopefully an upgrade bid will happen in less then 6 months.

Keep in mind the upgrade time is not linear for everyone. A buddy of mine was hired 6 monthes after me. He is looking at nothing short of a year longer then myself as an SIC.

I would say 3.5 years is a fair guess for new hires.

 

[AirBear8]

Upgrades are definitely more then 2 years. I don't know how much longer but I can tell you it's more then 2 years. When I upgrade I can tell you how long it takes. I have bids in for EVERYTHING and I'm now over 2 years. Hopefully an upgrade bid will happen in less then 6 months.

Keep in mind the upgrade time is not linear for everyone. A buddy of mine was hired 6 monthes after me. He is looking at nothing short of a year longer then myself as an SIC.

I would say 3.5 years is a fair guess for new hires.

I've been here 20 months and the last Encore PIC bid went about 100-150 numbers senior to me. Starcheck you must have been seat locked in senior equipment because an Ultra Captain bid went just 1 slot senior to me prior to the TA being announced. I have a half dozen or so 400XP PIC's junior to me, those guys won the airplane lottery when they were hired. (Prior to the current contract the seat locks prevented you from taking a Captain's seat except in your own fleet). The problem right now is most the PIC bids are for Excels or better. The last Sovereign bid only had 1 SIC upgrade, the rest were PIC's upgrading from junior equipment. If they ever get around to putting out a significant number of Ultra/Encore/400XP bids I think we'll upgrade at that time. I'm guessing another 4 to 6 months for me.

AirBear

 

[netjetwife]

Thanks for the additional info, 208 and AB. I think pilots and their families are better served for planning their future with a conservative outlook over the best-case scenario.

Same with the tie, Archie. You can always take it off, but if everyone else is wearing one and you're not then you do look like you're not as professional. I'm just passing on the experience a pilot shared with me. He wished he'd worn one. The others did.

Best Wishes,
NJW

 

[lawfly]

All NJA pilots "commute". You can live within walking distance of your domicile airport and you will still fly the airlines possibly clear across the country, even to another domicile airport (e.g., LAX to CMH) , to begin your tour. And potentially airline clear across the country at the end of your tour. As for the "expensive cities" pilots are now "forced" to live in, the farmhouse is not for everyone, either.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Increase in F/O pay will come at the cost of the HBA and or HBA system.

Alot more money and commute.

or

HBA's and take less money.

This will be the battle in the next contract.

 

[brokeflyer]

Yeah all the upgrades are from PIC's moving from one fleet to another. Not many SIC upgrades.......I would estimate 4-5 yrs minimum.

As the company adds new planes.......680's and larger......those will go to the senior Ultra and XL guys....and a few others. It will take A LOT of planes to get some movement.

 

[172driver]

Completely ridiculous. If they wanted you to wear a tie or a suit on the first day, they would have instructed you to do so. It's not some kind of a secret test where Derinda is taking notes on who is wearing a tie or not. You are a visitor, not an employee. Out of all the guys in my interview group, only one was wearing a tie on day one....and he looked out of place. Everyone else was wearing nice slacks and a collared shirt....plenty good enough. Save your suit and tie for day two, when you actually need them.

Everyone in my interview group wore a tie. Some wore suits. I wore one at the last minute, figuring I could take it off if I looked out of place. It was a good decision...

During the tour, Derinda made a remark about how the company HQ includes an owners' lounge/FBO area and that's why they have a business dress code there. But the stuff they send for the interview says 'company casual.' Maybe that means different things at different companies? Perhaps at NJ it means tie and no jacket?

 

[Archie Bunker]

Everyone in my interview group wore a tie. Some wore suits. I wore one at the last minute, figuring I could take it off if I looked out of place. It was a good decision...

Good for you. If you felt that you needed to wear a tie to fit in, then you did what you needed to feel comfortable. Overkill, in my opinion.

During the tour, Derinda made a remark about how the company HQ includes an owners' lounge/FBO area and that's why they have a business dress code there. But the stuff they send for the interview says 'company casual.' Maybe that means different things at different companies? Perhaps at NJ it means tie and no jacket?

Business casual, or company casual at NJA is a collared shirt and slacks/Dockers (no jeans)...no tie. When you are over at Easton during indoc, that is the dress code. The dress code for employees over at Bridgeway is a shirt and tie, or your NJA pilot's uniform. However, you can go over to Bridgeway and eat at the grill without wearing a shirt and tie. Basically, you have no business hanging out in the owner's lounge/reception area, or "FBO" area unless you are working, in which case you would be in uniform.

 

[VVJM265]

This ex-protocol officer will be wearing a tie for both the "dog & pony" and the interview/sim check.

Anybody else headed up the last week in Nov?

 

[rice]

"Ya know Skipper, we're here to fly airplanes!!"

Classic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Glad to see things haven't changed much in the 12 years I've been out.
Good Luck in the interview!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now come over to PPW, its only $10 and worth every penny.

 

[VVJM265]

Hey Rice,

Hadn't seen ya in on FI in a while. I'm on PPW also (same handle). Getting down to the wire here (107 days till I'm done), so I appreciate the well wishes.

Btw, my 8 yo saw your old avatar w/ Calvin on and laughed her butt off at your signature! Mine was from a terminal O-4 (hey I resemble that!) in my first squadron yelling at the CO about all the extra ppwk....nope hadn't changed since you got out....

Later,
265