RVSM Question

[Bandit60]

Does anyone know why they are opening the whole enroute portion of the skies when the real bottlenecks are at the airports/terminal areas?

That is the $100,000 question. I have asked that many times myself.

 

[MTR300]

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http://www.faa.gov/ats/ato/rvsm_documentation.htm#reg

 

[MTR300]

Here's the link to the list:

http://www.faa.gov/ats/ato/rvsm_documentation.htm#reg

 

[CorpLearDriver]

I'm just glad I took care of all this a year ago.

 

[kybur]

I don't think that's feasable. The controllers aren't going to be able to check a list of 10K+ airplanes every time they clear someone above 290.

I've heard that the ATC Command Center (or whatever they call themselves) is going to record all aircraft in RVSM airspace every few hours and check the tail numbers (possibly randomly) against the list. If you're not on the list, your @$$ is grass. Expect a certified letter in the mail. You'll have the next 60 days to feel shame.

Just to clarify, RVSM begins at 290 and continues through 410, therefore, without RVSM you are only good up to 280. If you can climb continously from 280 up to 430, then ATC may clear you through the RVSM airspace, to the normal airspace above it.

k

 

[G100driver]

Just to clarify, RVSM begins at 290 and continues through 410, therefore, without RVSM you are only good up to 280. If you can climb continously from 280 up to 430, then ATC may clear you through the RVSM airspace, to the normal airspace above it.

k

In theory. Wait and see if actually ever happens. Particularity on the East Coast.

 

[avbug]

For six months, aircraft that have not undergone monitoring for certification may still operate DRVSM. Additionally, air ambulance flights using the lifegaurd call sign, DoD flights, aircraft conducting certification and development, and aircraft transitioning DRVSM for higher or lower, may operate with out RVSM compliance. These aircraft must operate with 2,000' separation.

The reality is, however, that a whole lot of aircraft are going to be operating for the first six months without having complied RVSM. These aircraft will never have demonstrated their capability to operate within the tolerances required for RVSM, but will still continue to operate. In many other cases, only a portion of the fleet, by type or group, must be monitored, leaving large numbers of aircraft that will be operating in reduced separation airspace without ever having demonstrated the ability to comply.

 

[Vector4fun]

Word I have is unless you appear on the FAA's list, you will not receive a clearance above 290. We shall see.

I have nothing to do with DRVSM, being a terminal puke. But the "word" I'm hearing is, if you ain't a /W or /Q, it better be 3:00 am over Muleshoe TX. to get a clearance.

Thursday will be interesting. We asked if we terminal folks were going to get involved in this asking for or approving or denying access, and were told no. Wonder how many amendments I'll be doing to the equipment suffixes, and how long it will take the operators to get it squared away......

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

I have nothing to do with DRVSM, being a terminal puke. But the "word" I'm hearing is, if you ain't a /W or /Q, it better be 3:00 am over Muleshoe TX. to get a clearance.

Thursday will be interesting. We asked if we terminal folks were going to get involved in this asking for or approving or denying access, and were told no. Wonder how many amendments I'll be doing to the equipment suffixes, and how long it will take the operators to get it squared away......

Any idea how the feds are tracking who's legal and who's not?

 

[Vector4fun]

Any idea how the feds are tracking who's legal and who's not?

Nope, haven't seen anything. I sure wouldn't want to be the guy(s) who get caught deliberately trying to sneak up there though. I think the FAA will be rather harsh. But I imagine a few will try it anyway. The same sort who try to maintain a LR23 on a PA23 budget...

 

[Bandit60]

I just check the FAA list and didn't find one of our aircraft on the list, but I have the LOA for that tailnumber in my hot little hands. All the paper work is complete and signed by the FSDO. Does anyone think I'm going to have a problem operation this week?

 

[Brett Hull]

This is a portion of an e-mail from NBAA Airmail. The author is on the NBAA Airspace/Air Traffic Committee, so take it for whatever you think it's worth.

Let me clear this one up quickly. First and foremost it is NOT neccessary for your tail number to have been entered into the data base for you to operate in RVSM airspace - period! The database was not intended to reflect real time approvals and is not being used by any air traffic control agency to verify you are approved...

We're in the same position; LOA in hand for about a month, and not yet on "the list".

 

[Bandit60]

Thanks for the infor Brett Hull

 

[Guitar Guy]

DRSVM website

If it's of use to anyone interested in DRVSM, here's a link to the FAA's website on the topic: http://www.faa.gov/ats/ato/drvsm/Default.asphttp://www.faa.gov/ats/ato/drvsm/benefits.asp

 

[English]

Any anyone recommend a quick and easy way to get the RVSM training? Is there an online offering anywhere?

 

[Luftpost]

King RVSM

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Any anyone recommend a quick and easy way to get the RVSM training? Is there an online offering anywhere?

Don't know about the online part, but simuflite offers it for 400 bucks if I remember correctly. 2 hour class. Did it during the last recurrent. Of course online would be much cheaper if its out there, no travel expense. FWIW our FSDO wanted the certificate to come from one of the training facilities. I do not know if they would have taken one from an online outfit. The requirements from FSDO to FSDO vary greatly, so who knows.

 

[G100driver]

Any anyone recommend a quick and easy way to get the RVSM training? Is there an online offering anywhere?

Technicaly speaking all you have to do is become familiar with RVSM regs. This is according to the pilot qualification section in part 91G (I do not have a reg in front of me to give you exact location). You will then have to get an inspector to agree and approve you. This was also confirmed in the class I took instructed by Dave Stohr, THE RVSM and International Ops guru. I am sure that others can verify Dave Stohr's crudentials.

He can be reached at

www.trainati.com

Air Training International does a great job of training in RVSM and International Ops. We go every other year.

 

[Bandit60]

Everyone tommorow should file for altitudes we are not used to just for the fun of it. I think i will file for 360 and 380.

Good luck on the first day. Let me know if anyone has any issues with rvsm on the 20th

 

[Canucit]

The word I heard was that Center would only allow 2 non Rvsm a/c in their sector at a time