Rvsm In Europe

[ONEFSTHAWKERJET]

Looking to fly our Gulfstream III to Europe in March. Looks like the RVSM might not be done in time. Can we still fly to Europe with not being RVSM'd. Please anyone have info email me.

 

[rice]

Europe RVSM

Only if you go very high or very low.

 

[GPilot]

Also...make sure you are 8.33 equipped. If not you can expect some problems with IFPS routings. Some Fir's use 8.33 freqs exclusively. There is a CFMU handbook available on the web, it has a ton of gouge but isn't an easy read.
http://www.cfmu.eurocontrol.be

 

[Gulfstream 200]

you can go to Europe - at FL260 or so.

you can do this by going to GooseBay/Gander - Iceland - Europe.

 

[Peardc10]

RVSM - Europe

You can fly to Europe without being RVSM certified. We did it about a year ago with our Citation X. We were in the same situation as yourself, getting our plane qualified.

We had to have a letter of authorization from our GADO rep to authourize us to fly into MNPS airspace, and you will still need certain equipment on your aircraft like the vhf radio 8.33 spacing requirments.

You will need to fly above or below RVSM airspace in the Atlantic, which is below FL280 or above FL420. You must indicate on your flight plan non- RVSM compliant. When you reach the coast in point in Europe, you may be sent below FL280 and fly to your destination below European RVSM airspace. When we did our first trip, they kept us at FL430 well into European airspace. When we told the European controllers that we were non-RVSM compliant, they really didnt care and kept us up high until our normal descent into London. When we returned to the states, the Euro controllers brought us up to FL430 well before the coast out point. (go figure-but dont count on it every time)

If you can't plan a flight above RVSM airspace, and plan to fly below FL280, with the extra fuel burn, ETP's, you may have to file via the northern routes.

I hope this helps, its more work, but it can be done.

Good Luck!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

exactly.

be very careful in the GIII. You may plan to take off out of Gander and go at FL430 and think all is well. Then you get your Oceanic and they issue you FL 230. Have another plan ready to go on the ground so you can switch to the Northern Routes if needed.

Also,if you get that FL430 - make sure you can be there by your coast out point - about 60 miles off gander if I rememeber...

have fun

 

[G4G5]

When trying to get to 43 directly pay close attention to the temperature. I just flew over a few days ago and it was ISA +12 for the whole crossing. Which in a G3 would make it difficult to maintain the required tollerance of .01 mach.

The only place I have encountered using the new radios is the French. Figures. You can't get through Paris, Brest or Marsailles unless you have them.