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BroyF15 said:
Alas, no more BDU-33s since they eliminated the pylon for the SUU. So we kill the target with electrons.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
YGBSM!

What is the point of a fancy-a$$ jet if you cannot drop iron on a range, no matter how puny?

I was among the last of the Holloman AT38B guys in 1991. Got out just before the first women arrived. The program was gutted after I left, most of the range rides were eliminated, I think it was IP demo only, no pops. No ACM beyond canned 1V1 setups. I think the loss of HMN as a program was a shame.

Sorry for the continued thread drift.
 
That's the single biggest complaint we have with the Chuck model. Gone are the days of seeing the red flags are you walk out to the jet. Gone is feeling something actually come off the jet when you hit the pickle button. Gone is seeing the puff of smoke as you turn X-wind. Gone is hearing the scores on the radio. And, gone is the pressure to beat your bro's score on the next pass! We do have a silly, computer-generated score though. Woohoo!

Off topic to be sure. But with SOOOOOOO many of us having time in the white rocket (none of them are white anymore BTW - or blue either) it's a fun interlude.
 
dont all those new gadgets take the fun out of it? do the studs still have to fly under the "bag"? or do they just have to hit LNAV/VNAV
 
Patmack18 said:
Join/instruct for the Navy... we still drop blue death in the training commands, fight, low levels, and land on the boat....
Patmack-

Are you out of Meridian? "R-4404 is hot for the next..." :D
 
Nalo Boy said:
dont all those new gadgets take the fun out of it? do the studs still have to fly under the "bag"? or do they just have to hit LNAV/VNAV
Don't know about under the "bag" since we don't do that at IFF. Maybe somebody at one of the SUPT bases could answer that. By and large the new gadgets do make for a more efficient way to train. I can get a much more effective debrief now with the HUD video and our poor-man's ACMI capability (uses GPS derived data from the aircraft that is written to a standard PCMCIA card that we read to a computer to have it draw the lines). We still teach IPs how to sketch lines. But, like a lot of other things, that too is becoming a lost art. In the big scheme of things, a lot of really good decisions were made with the T-38C. And, more importantly, we will always do our best to keep the standards high.
 
Are there any folks out there still flying the T-38 with over 3000 hours of Talon time (following up from another thread; this seemed a good time to ask)?
 
The bag...

...I know that the instructional phase of PIT for instruments is still taught with the PIT trainee in front, so I wouldn't be surprised that the SUPT students still do 'bag' rides. Also, the MFD has a 'repeater' function, so you can monitor the other guy and make sure he's not 'cheating'. I'll look it up when I get back to Randolph...

Fly Safe!
FastCargo
 
FastCargo said:
...I know that the instructional phase of PIT for instruments is still taught with the PIT trainee in front, so I wouldn't be surprised that the SUPT students still do 'bag' rides. Also, the MFD has a 'repeater' function, so you can monitor the other guy and make sure he's not 'cheating'. I'll look it up when I get back to Randolph...

Fly Safe!
FastCargo

The bag is still required for instrument rides...with the exception of I5101 which is their first (dollar) ride. Yes, the student's first T-38C ride is an instrument sortie. It's more of a "see how checklist is suppose to be done" ride with instrument approaches.
 
What does the PMP mod do as far as flight in the FL 350 range?
For other cruise altitutudes, does "50+altitude" give you your best range Mach?
Is there still some high altitude 2-ship tactical in the syllabus?
I've heard some they that "they heard" that the PMP reduces range up high.
What's the real story?
 

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