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[sshrae]

PS..."Glass Pipe"? Really?


Sums it all up pretty well, as far as sticking up for the president, go ahead, by all means. I hope he stays in office after 2012, I will retire early. He is making me a fortune, all you have to do is short the dollar and its a sure bet. All those promises he gave during the campaign seem to be coming true right?! Big government and multi trillion dollar debt at 90 percent of gdp usually works out really well for economies. Look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about. Rant over, back to original thread.

 

[glasspilot]

Or, we can stay on this path...

Yes, US debt is crazy high. The the previous administration for that. I'm not even talking the Wall St crash. Just the Iraq war cost 10 time more than the Health Care bill that the right loves to blame our woes on.

Speaking of Wall St crashes, that too started on the last watch. Think we should have let 'em fail and simply "tighten the belt" during these tough times? Well, that's what we did the last time and it turned into the Great Depression.

Obamas best traight (opinion here) is that he listens. He seeks the best minds our country has to offer and he listens. That is a welcome change from the administration that brought us all these "good times".

 

[rigger]

Or, we can stay on this path...

Yes, US debt is crazy high. The the previous administration for that. I'm not even talking the Wall St crash. Just the Iraq war cost 10 time more than the Health Care bill that the right loves to blame our woes on.

Speaking of Wall St crashes, that too started on the last watch. Think we should have let 'em fail and simply "tighten the belt" during these tough times? Well, that's what we did the last time and it turned into the Great Depression.

Obamas best traight (opinion here) is that he listens. He seeks the best minds our country has to offer and he listens. That is a welcome change from the administration that brought us all these "good times".

Crist Glass Are you still at it.....BLA BLA BLA Bushs fault BLA BLA BLA the war coast more BLA BLA BLA BUSHS Fault give it up Carter was better then this idiot (I cant believe I said that) BLA BLA BLA Bushs fault, BLA BLA BLA "I have to ge back and put my head in the sand cause OVommitt is great and BLA BLA BLA it's bush fault!!!

 

[RCA]

Or, we can stay on this path...

Yes, US debt is crazy high. The the previous administration for that. I'm not even talking the Wall St crash. Just the Iraq war cost 10 time more than the Health Care bill that the right loves to blame our woes on.

Speaking of Wall St crashes, that too started on the last watch. Think we should have let 'em fail and simply "tighten the belt" during these tough times? Well, that's what we did the last time and it turned into the Great Depression.

Obamas best traight (opinion here) is that he listens. He seeks the best minds our country has to offer and he listens. That is a welcome change from the administration that brought us all these "good times".

We are down to great listener. Are you Funkdkdkdfindfing kidding?
This guy is leading a revolution and "fundamentaly transforming" the United States of America and you say his best traight is he listens well.

Concerning our "crazy high" Debt. No need to worry. Warren Buffet said on CNBC there's nothing to worry about. Because, unlike Greece, we have the ability to print money.

Unfortunatly, dwelling on how bad Bush sucked is blinding you to what's happening now.

 

[glasspilot]

Thanks for taking time to respond...now go back to Fox and Glenn Beck.

PS you are interrupting my Olbermann and Maddow. (see? We all have our crazies to spew trash in our ear, don't we?)


PPS. As to listening...do you think anybody in the world knows enough to run America all by themselves? I would think anybody holding that office would need advise. That's why we give them a cabinet. Even your side had a cabinet.

One more: as to "fundamentally changing the US"? Fine with me. Change is what I voted for. Change I expect. Change I'm getting and change I like. I understand the debt is going up. It does concern me more than you know. But I also know that what we did after the crash in the 30's is what caused the Great Depression. You talk about 90% GDP debt levels? That's exactly where our national debt level was on our exit from the Great Depression. Sure we had WWII to blame but regardless, that's what got us out.

I say settle the hell down. We are not going to be a Nazi, socialist, faciast, or even communist state. Everything is going to be just fine cause, after all...this is the USA and smart people prevail.


gp (smart person)

 

[ProFracPilot]

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[Crash Pad]

All of these political views come from a poster that claims Curr Position: Super Genius. Your argument against Bush and referencing the benefits of labor and WWII coupled with FDR are tiring. At the time, that Pres (FDR) believed in taxing 100% on people that made over 100K. Get real and retake some economic refreshers, this situation is getting out of control. Real fast.

 

[Praetorian]

***Stop the Hyjacking***

So, about that historic change to the RLA...

I think as soon as the economy fully recovers (and all the hand-wringing is over) the non-union fracs are going to be ripe for organizing. The new rules will make the result of any organizing campaign a foregone conclusion.

Of course workers paradises like Avaintair -home of the mighty favog, and that Pollyanna-ish copilot- will be immune from this. (just kidding)

 

[rettofly]

You talk about 90% GDP debt levels? That's exactly where our national debt level was on our exit from the Great Depression. Sure we had WWII to blame but regardless, that's what got us out.

Let me see if I understand this. Once the nation is transformed and goes into a depression, all we need is another worldwide war to pull us out of it. Sounds like a plan to me!

GP, you need to read some George Santayana. Among other things, he wrote that those who fail to heed the lessons of history are condemned to repeat it.

 

[sshrae]

We are not going to be a Nazi, socialist, faciast, or even communist state. Everything is going to be just fine cause, after all...this is the USA and smart people prevail.


gp (smart person)[/QUOTE]


When you voted for Obama you were voting for socialism, and thats exactly what you are getting unfortunately. Capitalism works, and the 'change' you voted for? The 'change' in my opinion is coming soon, By looking at the poles I think the left is going to lose a lot of ground. We will have to wait and see.

 

[glasspilot]

Yeah, the left will lose ground. But that's largely due to the massive lead they now enjoy. If this is socialism then the definition of "socialism" has been way lowered.

By the way...what's so bad? What has the government taken over? Health Care? Not really and many countries have way more government involvement in that area that would be hard to classify as socialist. GM? What was the alternative? Let 'em go out and have millions more on unemployment? Citi, BOA, GoldmanSachs bailout? Again, what was the alternative?

I know I'm not changing any minds here, but just maybe I'm showing many that do agree that they are not alone. By the way, Obama did win by a landslide, his approval rating right now is 69% (him, not policys), and the DOW is north of 10k. Stop watching GB, Fox and O'Riley.

gp

 

[sshrae]

Yeah, the left will lose ground. But that's largely due to the massive lead they now enjoy. If this is socialism then the definition of "socialism" has been way lowered.

By the way...what's so bad? What has the government taken over? Health Care? Not really and many countries have way more government involvement in that area that would be hard to classify as socialist. GM? What was the alternative? Let 'em go out and have millions more on unemployment? Citi, BOA, GoldmanSachs bailout? Again, what was the alternative?

I know I'm not changing any minds here, but just maybe I'm showing many that do agree that they are not alone. By the way, Obama did win by a landslide, his approval rating right now is 69% (him, not policys), and the DOW is north of 10k. Stop watching GB, Fox and O'Riley.

gp

I don't watch any of those guys, I cant stand the extreme left or right. But I think your numbers on the approval rating are off. I do watch CNBC, and its not hard to figure out that it wasnt policy that got us out of the jam. Policy doesn't get you out of a recession, read about FDR he will be the first to tell you it wasn't his policies that got us out of the deppression. Whats so bad you ask, its not now thats bad, that is what the current admin doesn't realize, its what is coming. Double digate interest rates to combat inflation. That is not so good. As an economics major in college I remember well studying the 70s interest rates and issues, we are heading down a worse path now. I remind you unemployement is still extremely high and growing in my state of california. The reason the left is losing ground is because people realize we are heading down the wrong path with weak leadership.

 

[Sparse]

and the DOW is north of 10k. Stop watching GB, Fox and O'Riley.

gp

I wouldn't be pointing that one out.

Dow about where it was ten years ago.

http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp...chls=IntervalBasedLine&q=INDEXDJX:.DJI&ntsp=0

 

[glasspilot]

Say, super point!

Ya think anything weird happened between 2000 and 2010? Say around 2008?


Let's take a look:


Click for a "look"


6547 to "north of 10k" in a year seems pretty good to me.

 

[rettofly]

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Health Care?

Speaking of health care.... I believe one of the key provisions touted by the proponents of health care (actually, government control of same) was that pre-existing conditions and preventive care will be covered.

Guess what? My practitioner of preventive care tells me that Medicare does not and will not cover either.

Maybe that promise turned into a goal, like the campaign promise of "no new taxes of any kind will be levied on anyone making less than $200K per year". I'll bet the Olberman crowd won't be talking about that one a lot, except to try to convince the unwashed that a VAT isn't really a tax on them. Guess it isn't... unless you go and buy things.

We get to hope, but we don't get to keep the change. Sad.

 

[Sparse]

This is interesting:

The chart comes from here.
http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/racepolitics.html

You just made my point. No response to my comments that Tea Partiers just want "less government, to protect freedom, promote individual responsibility, and to insure that the free market works for all." Just a continued cry of racism.

 

[netjetwife]

So, about that historic change to the RLA... A democratic vote at last! :beer:

I think as soon as the economy fully recovers (and all the hand-wringing is over) the non-union fracs are going to be ripe for organizing. Very possibly. I think dealing with the lack of legally binding rules in times of high uncertainty may well have changed the landscape. It's easier to be complacent when there's less risk of one's pay, benefits, etc getting cut but once changes start to happen who wouldn't prefer a seat at the table? What pilotgroup would not want its members to have guaranteed recall rights and a previously agreed upon furlough process that must be followed in case it happens again? The new rules will make the result of any organizing campaign a foregone conclusion. .....

Well, I wouldn't go that far.... But it will finally be a fair process when only those interested enough to cast a vote are the ones getting counted.

Speaking of voting... I encourage all of the NJA pilots to vote in the current EBoard election. Support the candidates and the democratic process... Regards, NJW

 

[Dassault]

If only it could apply to Wal Mart workers, they need some union help.

 

[netjetwife]

Perhaps we'll see a ripple effect. The more the new system is used the harder it will be for others to stick with the old/unfair method of counting.

When you think about it...working under a contract is just the fair thing to do. It gives those most affected a seat at the table and provides a set of agreed upon rules for those directly involved to follow. Executives make sure they have a contract. That should be all the endorsement needed.