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[Praetorian]

This should stir things up a bit. I guess now we know why the smell of union-busters is lately on the wind in the Fractional industry.

http://www.aviationtoday.com/pressr...e-Railway-Employees-to-Form-Unions_68082.html

Monday, May 10, 2010
Teamsters Applaud Federal Rule Change Making It Fairer for Airline, Railway Employees to Form Unions

PR Newswire WASHINGTON, May 10
Hoffa Says Rule Brings Union Elections Up to Modern Standards
WASHINGTON, May 10 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Teamsters General President Jim Hoffa today applauded the National Mediation Board for changing a federal rule that now makes it fairer for airline and railway employees to form unions.

The rule change was published online today in the Federal Register and affects more than 570,000 airline and railway employees. The rule change allows workers to form a union if a majority of the employees who vote support it.
"Workers who want to form unions are looking for job security and peace of mind. By changing the rule, the NMB has leveled the playing field, giving workers a fairer chance to form unions," Hoffa said. "I'm pleased with this decision by the NMB and I'm proud of the work the Teamsters Union has done to ensure this change happened."
Hoffa added that the rule change brings union elections up to modern standards of democratic election law. It allows workers the right to sit out an election if they choose. Under the old rule, workers sitting out an election were viewed as casting 'no' votes.
The NMB is a federal agency created in 1934 under the Railway Labor Act to oversee labor relations in the railroad and airline industries.
The International Brotherhood of Teamsters was founded in 1903 and represents 1.4 million hardworking men and women in the United States, Canada and Puerto Rico.

 

[RCA]

Just one more step toward the "fundamental transformation of America"

Need proof. Ask this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvJJP9AYgqU

Or this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSllsTLkBsw

 

[Praetorian]

Just one more step toward the "fundamental transformation of America"

Need proof. Ask this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvJJP9AYgqU

Or this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSllsTLkBsw

Yea Andy Stern is a real radical. Hey listen, since you guys have ceded control of your party to these wing-nuts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UASS1qFAIQ8 you better get used to spending time out in the political wilderness. I hear it gets real cold out there in the wintertime, especially in New Hampshire.

In the mean time get some help. Really. http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mv

 

[flex*wife]

Does this rule change pertain to fractionals? All the press reads it will just affect employees of "public" transportation outfits. Is a frac considered public or does part 135 flying open that door? Obviously I don't know the answer so if someone has info as to how this specfically affects fracs I'd appreciate the education

 

[Praetorian]

Does this rule change pertain to fractionals? All the press reads it will just affect employees of "public" transportation outfits. Is a frac considered public or does part 135 flying open that door? Obviously I don't know the answer so if someone has info as to how this specfically affects fracs I'd appreciate the education

Yes it applies to fracs, because we engage in interstate commerce, our union's fall under the RLA, which is administered by the National Mediation Board. http://www.nmb.gov/

The act was essentially designed to prevent disruptions to the national transportation system - at its inception railroads, now airlines and the fracs.

The act is also why airline strikes are rare.

 

[RCA]

Yea Andy Stern is a real radical. Hey listen, since you guys have ceded control of your party to these wing-nuts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UASS1qFAIQ8 you better get used to spending time out in the political wilderness. I hear it gets real cold out there in the wintertime, especially in New Hampshire.

In the mean time get some help. Really. http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mv

Let me see if I understand. You agree Stern is a radical. Then tow the White House/MSNBC line used to attack people speaking freely.
I'm also still waiting for the day one of "you guys" clear up the Fundamental Transformation comment from our president.

 

[Praetorian]

Let me see if I understand. You agree Stern is a radical. Then tow the White House/MSNBC line used to attack people speaking freely.
I'm also still waiting for the day one of "you guys" clear up the Fundamental Transformation comment from our president.

It was an intentional non sequitur meant to be ironic (which was apparently lost on you). Everyone knows Stern is one of the most progressive labor leaders in a generation. That's where the obvious irony comes in.

As for attacking "people speaking freely", I make no apologizes for attacking racism and bigotry.

 

[RCA]

Your right I'm unable to understand large words and irony that does nothing to defend a progressive union thug and our president who meets with him more often than any other person.

 

[glasspilot]

Given the chance Obama could be this nations greatest President. Unless, God forbid, there are enough racists in this country to reach critical mass and tear it apart instead.

If you disagree then you're stupid and hate NetJets.


gp

 

[gret]

I'm sorry! What is this topic all about and why is it relevant?

We're in a bad economy and we're playing with our Johnsons like they mean something?

 

[rettofly]

Given the chance Obama could be this nations greatest President. Unless, God forbid, there are enough racists in this country to reach critical mass and tear it apart instead.

If you disagree then you're stupid and hate NetJets.


Guess the hope and change is working out pretty well for you so far. Can't wait to see your posts when we're all equally miserable after the fundamental transformation is complete.

Can you say "Greek/ European financial meltdown"? We're headed there. What you might want to consider is the possibility that the universe of frax owners and charter customers includes a lot of smart folks who might just say "screw it" and take their money and run instead of recycling it to create jobs.

Guess I'm just a stupid racist bigot for daring to disagree with the direction in which this administration is trying to take us. Wake up and smell the coffee. Socialism fails when the politicians run out of other people's money.

 

[fob727]

Given the chance Obama could be this nations greatest President. Unless, God forbid, there are enough racists in this country to reach critical mass and tear it apart instead.

If you disagree then you're stupid and hate NetJets.


gp

That's one of the funnniest political statements I've ever heard. I don't care one bit about his race.

 

[Sparse]

As for attacking "people speaking freely", I make no apologizes for attacking racism and bigotry.

The press is crafty in how it seeks out the few crackpots and edits reports to smear a legitimate organization that just wants less government, to protect freedom, promotes individual responsibility, and to insure that the free market works for all. When you can't make a legitimate argument against any of these points they just label them as racist and bigots and the lemmings fall in line and join the attack. And by the way, what label do you attach to the African Americans, Hispanics, and Asians that participate in the tea party rallys? Oh, maybe it's Uncle Tom.

 

[Praetorian]

The press is crafty in how it seeks out the few crackpots and edits reports to smear a legitimate organization that just wants less government, to protect freedom, promotes individual responsibility, and to insure that the free market works for all. When you can't make a legitimate argument against any of these points they just label them as racist and bigots and the lemmings fall in line and join the attack. And by the way, what label do you attach to the African Americans, Hispanics, and Asians that participate in the tea party rallys? Oh, maybe it's Uncle Tom.

This is interesting:

The chart comes from here.
http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/racepolitics.html

 

[gutshotdraw]

Tell me again, exactly, why this is in the Fractional section and not the Non-Aviation Chat/Tilting at Windmills section?

 

[sshrae]

That's one of the funnniest political statements I've ever heard. I don't care one bit about his race.

IF you don't like Obama's policies you must be racist according to glass pipe.

 

[Praetorian]

Tell me again, exactly, why this is in the Fractional section and not the Non-Aviation Chat/Tilting at Windmills section?

Yea your right, this one got hijacked and I played along. My apologies. Let's get back to the original reason for this thread.

PR Newswire WASHINGTON, May 10
Hoffa Says Rule Brings Union Elections Up to Modern Standards
WASHINGTON, May 10 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Teamsters General President Jim Hoffa today applauded the National Mediation Board for changing a federal rule that now makes it fairer for airline and railway employees to form unions.

The rule change was published online today in the Federal Register and affects more than 570,000 airline and railway employees. The rule change allows workers to form a union if a majority of the employees who vote support it.
"Workers who want to form unions are looking for job security and peace of mind. By changing the rule, the NMB has leveled the playing field, giving workers a fairer chance to form unions," Hoffa said. "I'm pleased with this decision by the NMB and I'm proud of the work the Teamsters Union has done to ensure this change happened."
Hoffa added that the rule change brings union elections up to modern standards of democratic election law. It allows workers the right to sit out an election if they choose. Under the old rule, workers sitting out an election were viewed as casting 'no' votes.
The NMB is a federal agency created in 1934 under the Railway Labor Act to oversee labor relations in the railroad and airline industries.
The International Brotherhood of Teamsters was founded in 1903 and represents 1.4 million hardworking men and women in the United States, Canada and Puerto Rico.

 

[gret]

Tell me again, exactly, why this is in the Fractional section and not the Non-Aviation Chat/Tilting at Windmills section?

Agree

 

[glasspilot]

Maybe cause 100% of fractional companies are either A) unionized, or B) not.

The OP had a nfty news nugget regarding a change to the rules to unionize. I'm pretty sure NetJetWife has posted north of 300 posts on that very subject in this very section of the forum.

Post a bunch of negitive crap about OUR President and I'll stick up for the USA, our government and our way of life. Talk about what the OP brought up and I'll be happy to go down that path too.

PS..."Glass Pipe"? Really? That's all you got?

 

[RCA]

Maybe cause 100% of fractional companies are either A) unionized, or B) not.

The OP had a nfty news nugget regarding a change to the rules to unionize. I'm pretty sure NetJetWife has posted north of 300 posts on that very subject in this very section of the forum.

Post a bunch of negitive crap about OUR President and I'll stick up for the USA, our government and our way of life. Talk about what the OP brought up and I'll be happy to go down that path too.

PS..."Glass Pipe"? Really? That's all you got?

Will you also stick up for the 17.6% of unemployed Americans? Just asking cause I bet they could use your support too.

 

[sshrae]

PS..."Glass Pipe"? Really?


Sums it all up pretty well, as far as sticking up for the president, go ahead, by all means. I hope he stays in office after 2012, I will retire early. He is making me a fortune, all you have to do is short the dollar and its a sure bet. All those promises he gave during the campaign seem to be coming true right?! Big government and multi trillion dollar debt at 90 percent of gdp usually works out really well for economies. Look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about. Rant over, back to original thread.

 

[glasspilot]

Or, we can stay on this path...

Yes, US debt is crazy high. The the previous administration for that. I'm not even talking the Wall St crash. Just the Iraq war cost 10 time more than the Health Care bill that the right loves to blame our woes on.

Speaking of Wall St crashes, that too started on the last watch. Think we should have let 'em fail and simply "tighten the belt" during these tough times? Well, that's what we did the last time and it turned into the Great Depression.

Obamas best traight (opinion here) is that he listens. He seeks the best minds our country has to offer and he listens. That is a welcome change from the administration that brought us all these "good times".

 

[rigger]

Or, we can stay on this path...

Yes, US debt is crazy high. The the previous administration for that. I'm not even talking the Wall St crash. Just the Iraq war cost 10 time more than the Health Care bill that the right loves to blame our woes on.

Speaking of Wall St crashes, that too started on the last watch. Think we should have let 'em fail and simply "tighten the belt" during these tough times? Well, that's what we did the last time and it turned into the Great Depression.

Obamas best traight (opinion here) is that he listens. He seeks the best minds our country has to offer and he listens. That is a welcome change from the administration that brought us all these "good times".

Crist Glass Are you still at it.....BLA BLA BLA Bushs fault BLA BLA BLA the war coast more BLA BLA BLA BUSHS Fault give it up Carter was better then this idiot (I cant believe I said that) BLA BLA BLA Bushs fault, BLA BLA BLA "I have to ge back and put my head in the sand cause OVommitt is great and BLA BLA BLA it's bush fault!!!

 

[RCA]

Or, we can stay on this path...

Yes, US debt is crazy high. The the previous administration for that. I'm not even talking the Wall St crash. Just the Iraq war cost 10 time more than the Health Care bill that the right loves to blame our woes on.

Speaking of Wall St crashes, that too started on the last watch. Think we should have let 'em fail and simply "tighten the belt" during these tough times? Well, that's what we did the last time and it turned into the Great Depression.

Obamas best traight (opinion here) is that he listens. He seeks the best minds our country has to offer and he listens. That is a welcome change from the administration that brought us all these "good times".

We are down to great listener. Are you Funkdkdkdfindfing kidding?
This guy is leading a revolution and "fundamentaly transforming" the United States of America and you say his best traight is he listens well.

Concerning our "crazy high" Debt. No need to worry. Warren Buffet said on CNBC there's nothing to worry about. Because, unlike Greece, we have the ability to print money.

Unfortunatly, dwelling on how bad Bush sucked is blinding you to what's happening now.

 

[glasspilot]

Thanks for taking time to respond...now go back to Fox and Glenn Beck.

PS you are interrupting my Olbermann and Maddow. (see? We all have our crazies to spew trash in our ear, don't we?)


PPS. As to listening...do you think anybody in the world knows enough to run America all by themselves? I would think anybody holding that office would need advise. That's why we give them a cabinet. Even your side had a cabinet.

One more: as to "fundamentally changing the US"? Fine with me. Change is what I voted for. Change I expect. Change I'm getting and change I like. I understand the debt is going up. It does concern me more than you know. But I also know that what we did after the crash in the 30's is what caused the Great Depression. You talk about 90% GDP debt levels? That's exactly where our national debt level was on our exit from the Great Depression. Sure we had WWII to blame but regardless, that's what got us out.

I say settle the hell down. We are not going to be a Nazi, socialist, faciast, or even communist state. Everything is going to be just fine cause, after all...this is the USA and smart people prevail.


gp (smart person)

 

[ProFracPilot]

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[Crash Pad]

All of these political views come from a poster that claims Curr Position: Super Genius. Your argument against Bush and referencing the benefits of labor and WWII coupled with FDR are tiring. At the time, that Pres (FDR) believed in taxing 100% on people that made over 100K. Get real and retake some economic refreshers, this situation is getting out of control. Real fast.

 

[Praetorian]

***Stop the Hyjacking***

So, about that historic change to the RLA...

I think as soon as the economy fully recovers (and all the hand-wringing is over) the non-union fracs are going to be ripe for organizing. The new rules will make the result of any organizing campaign a foregone conclusion.

Of course workers paradises like Avaintair -home of the mighty favog, and that Pollyanna-ish copilot- will be immune from this. (just kidding)

 

[rettofly]

You talk about 90% GDP debt levels? That's exactly where our national debt level was on our exit from the Great Depression. Sure we had WWII to blame but regardless, that's what got us out.

Let me see if I understand this. Once the nation is transformed and goes into a depression, all we need is another worldwide war to pull us out of it. Sounds like a plan to me!

GP, you need to read some George Santayana. Among other things, he wrote that those who fail to heed the lessons of history are condemned to repeat it.

 

[sshrae]

We are not going to be a Nazi, socialist, faciast, or even communist state. Everything is going to be just fine cause, after all...this is the USA and smart people prevail.


gp (smart person)[/QUOTE]


When you voted for Obama you were voting for socialism, and thats exactly what you are getting unfortunately. Capitalism works, and the 'change' you voted for? The 'change' in my opinion is coming soon, By looking at the poles I think the left is going to lose a lot of ground. We will have to wait and see.