Rush Limbaugh

[Timebuilder]

Try eating 16 at once and see how you feel.

I don't think I ever ate sixteen of anything. Except maybe...


Barbeque!!!!!

There! I've changed this into a barbeque thread.

 

[fLYbUDDY]

I don't think I ever ate sixteen of anything. Except maybe...


Barbeque!!!!!

There! I've changed this into a barbeque thread.

mmmmmm BBQ!
Anyone ever been to Chez Porky's in South Florida (By FXE.)

That place rocks!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[N2264J]

Rush to judgement

I would imagine that the real dog had been in the news that week, and this was a cheap laugh...I think it was in bad taste, to be honest.

This happened years before the Clinton's received their dog, Buddy. Bad taste is an understatement considering a 13 year old girl, who was probably quite self-conscious about her appearance, has very little to do with her parents politics.

In response to the "White House dog" comment ...

Rush himself felt bad for having made that joke...When Rush learned Mrs. Clinton was at the party, he made a point to seek her out and speak to her.

Rush described this encounter with Mrs. Clinton on his show shortly after it happened.

I'd like to get a second opinion on this story since it came from Rush himself. For instance, if he felt so bad about it, why did it take years to apologize? I'm sure he or his people know how send a letter so why the precondition that they be at the same party? Why did he apologize to Hillary instead of Chelsea? If the production staffer put that picture up by mistake, what was the picture suppose to be? In other words, what was the joke?

No, he's a calculating, vindictive ideologue and here's something for dittoheads everywhere to ponder - he turned himself over to rehab only after he got caught.

 

[TonyC]

Sixteen of ...

I don't think I ever ate sixteen of anything. Except maybe...


Barbeque!!!!!

There! I've changed this into a barbeque thread.

NOT so fast there, Hoss...

I don't think I ever ate sixteen of anything. Except maybe Krystal - Fresh Hot Small Square. Wait ! I think I might have had sixteen Krispy Kreme - HOT NOW or Southern Maid Donuts.

 

[Timebuilder]

No, he's a calculating, vindictive ideologue

Gee, I'm shocked. I never thought you felt that way from the first part of your post. I take it you must know him personally? I can't imagine what you must think of James Carville or Hillary. You must be REALLY mad at how they comport themselves.

For instance, if he felt so bad about it, why did it take years to apologize?

Do you have anything that you felt bad enough about that you wanted to apologize for, and you knew that sometime you would have an opportunity to make that apology in person? I wasn't aware that there was a time frame for an apology. If he had sent a letter, or made a call, a great many people would have found fault, suggesting that he was too shallow to offer a personal apology, or didn't care. This is a no-win situation where his critics are concerned. Apparently, you are one of those pople that will not be satisfied no matter what he does.

Why did he apologize to Hillary instead of Chelsea?

In this situation, that would require two things: 1) the presence of Chelsea at the party, and 2) the permission of her mother to make that apology to Chelsea. Had he been asked to, I believe that he would have been willing to meet with Chelsea and explain what had transpired. For all we know, the offer was made and was not agreed to. Obviously, you have an axe to grind.

If the production staffer put that picture up by mistake, what was the picture suppose to be? In other words, what was the joke?

This is where I have to change hats for a moment. I'm putting on my broadcaster's hat.

I have appeared on televison, and I am well versed in production techniques. Not every program aspect or segment is under the direct control or creative input of a host. An entire show is simply too complicated to allow this level of input. Just ask how unnerving it was for the crew that produced Martha Stewart's show to have their every move scrutinized, and find out how much extra production costs were incurred by her anal retentive approach to TV production. There are books you can read about this.

Suffice it to say that when you already produce a three hour nationally syndicated radio show and then spend another couple of hours on a TV show, you don't even get to rehearse every segment. Some things are mentioned on a script like "Rush: we got a look at the new White House dog today...(pause for picture on monitor)" and the host may have no idea what the writers and the rest of his production team have cooked up.

In other words, he probably was waiting for the joke himself, trusting his team to walk the line. If they crossed the line, then Rush was right to fire the parties involved.

he turned himself over to rehab only after he got caught.

I guess the fact that he tried to quit before makes no difference?

I guess you're another "compassionate liberal".

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

Well, don't be too sure. I said they do some wild stuff. I didn't say you'd want to do any of it with them. (Now Skywest girls, on the other hand...) I agree completely...I just thought the "deviant" comment was over the top.

OK. What if GWB had done this? Think our attitude is as long as it is someone we like then we cut some slack. For example, if a fellow ASA pilot did this during a flight with a female flight attendant would that be OK? Probably would be "understanding". What if Leo did it with a secretary during business hours on company property? Fire the bum! Just trying to put it in perspective.

 

[Timebuilder]

OK. What if GWB had done this? Think our attitude is as long as it is someone we like then we cut some slack. For example, if a fellow ASA pilot did this during a flight with a female flight attendant would that be OK? Probably would be "understanding". What if Leo did it with a secretary during business hours on company property? Fire the bum! Just trying to put it in perspective.

There are so many variables, but one principal never changes: wrong is wrong. If it turns out that Rush is wrong for acquiring drugs outside of the accepted chain of pharmacy and physician, then he is wrong. He'll be the first to tell us of the hell of drug addiction when he has his next opportunity.

If GW had done the same act in the same office with a similar intern, it would still be wrong, and I'd be sending him a letter asking for him to come clean. I would not expect him to lie under oath, but frankly, I wasn't that surprised when Clinton lied.

 

[fLYbUDDY]

Re: Sixteen of ...

NOT so fast there, Hoss...

I don't think I ever ate sixteen of anything. Except maybe Krystal - Fresh Hot Small Square. Wait ! I think I might have had sixteen Krispy Kreme - HOT NOW or Southern Maid Donuts.

I have eaten MORE than 16 x 2 pieces of sashimi at an all-you-can-eat! It was kind of an accident. I ordered like 20 pieces of salmon sashimi, and I didn't know it was 2 pieces for every 1 you wrote down. So I checked 20 and ended up with 40 slabs of salmon. This was on top of about 15 hits of other types of sushi (it was 1 for 1 with the sushi,) about 5 or 6 hand rolls, and a plate of teriyaki beef. And you can't waste it otherwise they charge you extra for each piece of fish you leave. I learned a valuable lesson that night, never trust the Japanese!!!

BTW-Just kidding about the Japanese, they rock!

 

[N2264J]

Re: Rush to judgement

...you don't even get to rehearse every segment. Some things are mentioned on a script like "Rush: we got a look at the new White House dog today...(pause for picture on monitor)" and the host may have no idea what the writers and the rest of his production team have cooked up.

In other words, he probably was waiting for the joke himself, trusting his team to walk the line. If they crossed the line, then Rush was right to fire the parties involved.

The show was taped. Several hours passed before it was broadcast to the nation. If something in such bad taste happened during the run through that got a staffer fired, why wasn't it corrected before the the show was put on the air?

Buddy, the real White House dog showed up in the middle of Clinton's second term. The Chelsea incident happened about one year into Clinton's first term. When Rush apologized to Hillary, did he mention what the picture was suppose to be?

In this situation, that would require two things: 1) the presence of Chelsea at the party, and 2) the permission of her mother to make that apology to Chelsea.

Chelsea is a college graduate in her early 20's. She's a young woman now. Why would Rush need the permission of her mother to apologize to her?

 

[Timebuilder]

The show was taped. Several hours passed before it was broadcast to the nation. If something in such bad taste happened during the run through that got a staffer fired, why wasn't is corrected before the the show was put on the air?

I can't say for sure if the show was taped or not. Considering the hour, you are probably right, though. I would have made an extra effort to replace this segment with another piece. There are two possibilities I can think of: one, there was insufficient studio time available to come up with a replacement segment, or more likely, it was seen as more benign at the time than it seemed in retrospect. Hindsight may have revealed a new insight, such as "Oh, man. I can't believe we did that."

When Rush apologized to Hillary, did he mention what the picture was suppose to be?

That's a good question. We will probably never find out publically, but I hope to find out at some point since I have returned to show business.

Chelsea is a college graduate in her early 20's. She's a young woman now. Why would Rush need the permission of her mother to apologize to her?

Clinton family policy was that no one should have press access to Chelsea. Her mother accepted the apology on her behalf, and that was the end of it. If that isn't good enough for you, I don't know what to tell you.

Do you have a personal interest here? I can tell you from both my broadcasting and political background that a great many things happen that people in these lines of work take for granted as a part of the business. The children of Al Gore and Gerald Ford had several mentions for their activity as minors, as did Amy Carter. Amy Carter was widely ridiculed by the press, which was even more liberal than they are now, because she wanted a chain saw for Christmas. In fact, I remember some political writers mentioning her gangly lack of grace. And they were democrats!

Maybe you and I just have a more reasonable standard of behavior than a TV production team.

 

[TonyC]

Silence...

One of the things that I find encouraging in all of this is what we're NOT hearing. Now, reportedly, this whole sh'bang got kicked off by an employee of the Limbaugh household who took her story to a reputable news outlet*. I haven't heard anyone criticize her for her actions.

Yet, when another woman took information about illegal activity to legal authorities, she was subjected to the wrath of millions of (I can say liberals here, right?) who plastered her with very unsavory labels and ridiculed her for "ratting" on her friend. Where are they now?

The silence is refreshing.


(*OKAY, OKAY, I'm sorry. I meant to say tabloid, but I was trying to be objective and not slant the point.)

 

[N2264J]

Re: Silence...

Yet, when another woman took information about illegal activity to legal authorities, she was subjected to the wrath of millions of (I can say liberals here, right?)

Talking about anyone we know?

 

[jarhead]

Oh, I'm pretty sure we know..........

Who was the "friend" of Monica Lewinski, who had the famous semen stained blue dress for a while hidden in her closet?

 

[Typhoon1244]

Who was the "friend" of Monica Lewinski, who had the famous semen stained blue dress for a while hidden in her closet?

You know, Bill loved that dress from the moment he spotted it...

 

[wil]

In Mexico, one can self-medicate. If you want to get Tylenol 5 for your headache you can. While I don't approve of abusing a drug it's not like he is shooting heroin. I wish we had the enlightened pharmacy policies of Mexico!

 

[Typhoon1244]

I wish we had the enlightened pharmacy policies of Mexico!

Some of rampers do...

(Wait, did I say that out loud?)

 

[Timebuilder]

Wait a minute.

(thumps palm of hand on the side of the head several times)

Did someone just use the word enlightened and the word Mexico in the same sentence???

 

[Thrust Master]

What Ever?

I got out of the military because of the liberal's
like CLINTON. I'm proud to say I'm severing again
under a Commander and Chief like Bush.
The only reason it took America so long to Kick
some A$$ was because it took Bush to re-build
our military. Clinton cut our defense buget by 36%.
You don't here that in the news.
Nor do you here Bush complaining about it. He's
doing what is neccessary.

LT. Col. Thrust Master

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: What Ever?

You don't here that in the news.

Sometimes you don't ever hear it...

 

[Herman Bloom]

For the love of God if I hear one more idiot make the innane distinction that all conservatives are god loving, moral pillars of society and that all liberals are "secular" folk with no regard for humanity in general I think I'm gonna go nuts. I can't believe anyone could be that stupid.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: conservatives and liberals are equally at fault. They are also equally responsible for all the good things we enjoy as citizens of this country. People who latch onto the belief that one side or the other is entirely good and "right" and that the other is evil and/or immoral have missed the point entirely. Usually because they can't really grasp what's going on around them.

The fact that some of these idiots can vote scares me silly. But that's America baby. You gotta want it bad.

Have fun.

 

[Timebuilder]

Have fun.

I have more than fun. I have a whole bunch of experience as a really left wing liberal type, and I can tell you that there are some very creative approaches in the area of "spirit" which are contrary to His word.

You can read some of my old posts on this, or you can feel nutty.

 

[N2264J]

Re: Rush to judgement

Oh, I'm pretty sure we know..........

Who was the "friend" of Monica Lewinski, who had the famous semen stained blue dress for a while hidden in her closet?

Stand easy Marine.

That's who I thought of first but it didn't add up. Monica and Bill didn't do anything illegal as Tony asserted. Adultery may offend your sensibilities but it isn't illegal. Linda Tripp was trying to provide evidence of a tryst to her right wing operatives and in the process, broke a state law about taping conversations without the subject's knowledge. In my opinion, it was none of our business anyway. The Clinton affair was between Bill, Hillary, Chelsea and Monica and that's where it should have stayed.

Clinton lied about it afterward under oath and that was illegal
but in the scheme of things, I don't think what he did was as egregious as say, misleading the country about yellow cake and weapons of mass destruction then launching a war that is getting our fine troops slaughtered almost daily. The nuclear weapons the administration used to justify the war in Iraq were found but unfortunately for Bush's preemption doctrine, they were all in North Korea.

Michael Moore said that Clinton was the best Republican president we've ever had and I agree with him. But I knew he was in trouble when Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich accused him of "stealing Republican ideas." In the world of politics where compromise is the norm, that sounds odd doesn't it? Clinton was accused of stealing Republican ideas. Instead of being embraced by Republicans as a centrist they could work with, Limbaugh and Gingrich were on the radio shouting about how he was stealing Republican ideas. It had the effect of polarizing the nation and I think the country suffered for it.

There's plenty of political scandel to go around but to me, Clinton's problem doesn't compare to the Reagan administration laundering money and selling arms to terrorists. Millions of taxpayer dollars were spent investigating Travelgate, Filegate, Vince Foster's suicide, Whitewater, Hillary's cattle futures, Jerry Falwell talking about all the bodies buried around Arkansas the Clinton's murdered while moving drugs through Mena. The net result: zero. And the so called "liberal media" Limbaugh is always whining about was all too eager to pile it on the so called liberal president giving this slander legs. The only thing that stuck was that Clinton lied about having an affair just like half the married men in this country and some conservative congressmen on the hill including Newt Gingrich. So what? I don't care. This country was in pretty good shape when he left Washington and I miss him.

If Hillary runs, I'll vote for her. Maybe she'll have better luck with her health care plan this time. Socialized medicine served me well during my 21 years in the Navy and I'd like to see that benefit in the civilian community like every other civilized industrial nation on the planet. And, oh by the way, for Thrust Master's benefit, it was the Clinton military that kicked ass in Afghanistan and Iraq. The 36% decrease in military spending was due to the end Soviet Union and the cold war.

Ah yes, the Republican airline pilot. What an anomaly that defies my understanding. Let the flaming begin.

 

[Anti-Matter]

Re: What Ever?

I got out of the military because of the liberal's
like CLINTON. I'm proud to say I'm severing again
under a Commander and Chief like Bush.
The only reason it took America so long to Kick
some A$$ was because it took Bush to re-build
our military. Clinton cut our defense buget by 36%.
You don't here that in the news.
Nor do you here Bush complaining about it. He's
doing what is neccessary.

LT. Col. Thrust Master

I'm glad you are "severing" under His Royal Highness King George II.

A quote from Al Franken's latest book (a good read for the "fair and balanced" but sure to make a die-hard conservative apoplectic

"Nine months after Bush took office, we went to war against the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. The Soviets couldn't conquer Afghanistan. Niether could the British in 1919. But somehow, we did it in a few weeks. With no new funding (the first Bush defense budget went into effect on October 1, 2002) Donald Rumsfeld had taken our "gutted" military and, with a little string and some baling wire, turned it into the greatest fighting force in the history of the planet"

Another great quote:
"A commander in chief leads the military built by those who came before him. There is little that he or his defense secretary can do to improve the force they have to deploy. It is all the work of the previous administrations. Decisions made today shape the force of tomorrow ... And when that war (the first Gulf War) ended, the first thing I did was to place a call to California, and say thank you President Ronald Reagan."
-- Dick Cheney, the Southern Center for International Studies, August 2000.

When do you suppose Cheney is going to get around to thanking Clinton?

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Re: What Ever?

When do you suppose Cheney is going to get around to thanking Clinton?

Now you've done it!

Take cover!!!

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

Re: Re: Rush to judgement

Stand easy Marine.

Adultery may offend your sensibilities but it isn't illegal. In my opinion, it was none of our business anyway. The Clinton affair was between Bill, Hillary, Chelsea and Monica and that's where it should have stayed.


Ah yes, the Republican airline pilot. What an anomaly that defies my understanding. Let the flaming begin.

OK. What if GWB had done the same? Would you be at peace with it? When a person willfully cheats (I realize Bill was probably overwhelmed by Monica's charm so it was out of a heat of passion and she's probably the only other woman he's ever been with) on their spouse the majority of time they'll also cheat in other areas of their life. But hey it only involved two consenting "adults" right? I doubt if Chelsea wears her old man's fooling around as a badge of honor.

And you probably think the Republicans are the kool-aid drinkers?!
How have the Dems helped labor? It was Ted Kennedy and some of his fellow Dems (Maxine Waters, et.al.) who started deregulation of the airline biz. Both parties are anti-labor just in different areas.

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

Re: Re: What Ever?

I'm glad you are "severing" under His Royal Highness King George II.

A quote from Al Franken's latest book (a good read for the "fair and balanced" but sure to make a die-hard conservative apoplectic

"Nine months after Bush took office, we went to war against the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. The Soviets couldn't conquer Afghanistan. Niether could the British in 1919. But somehow, we did it in a few weeks. With no new funding (the first Bush defense budget went into effect on October 1, 2002) Donald Rumsfeld had taken our "gutted" military and, with a little string and some baling wire, turned it into the greatest fighting force in the history of the planet"

Another great quote:
"A commander in chief leads the military built by those who came before him. There is little that he or his defense secretary can do to improve the force they have to deploy. It is all the work of the previous administrations. Decisions made today shape the force of tomorrow ... And when that war (the first Gulf War) ended, the first thing I did was to place a call to California, and say thank you President Ronald Reagan."
-- Dick Cheney, the Southern Center for International Studies, August 2000.

When do you suppose Cheney is going to get around to thanking Clinton?

Thank you for proving my point when it is your "team" you'll say and do anything to attempt to justify their actions. Distain Rush Limbaugh but embrace Al Franken? I guess only the Republicans have blinders on right?
Think both parties need to be looked at with a critical eye since both are a den of thieves and are addicted to half truths.

 

[House_X]

Re: Re: What Ever?

I'm glad you are "severing" under His Royal Highness King George II.

A quote from Al Franken's latest book (a good read for the "fair and balanced" but sure to make a die-hard conservative apoplectic

"Nine months after Bush took office, we went to war against the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. The Soviets couldn't conquer Afghanistan. Niether could the British in 1919. But somehow, we did it in a few weeks. With no new funding (the first Bush defense budget went into effect on October 1, 2002) Donald Rumsfeld had taken our "gutted" military and, with a little string and some baling wire, turned it into the greatest fighting force in the history of the planet"

Another great quote:
"A commander in chief leads the military built by those who came before him. There is little that he or his defense secretary can do to improve the force they have to deploy. It is all the work of the previous administrations. Decisions made today shape the force of tomorrow ... And when that war (the first Gulf War) ended, the first thing I did was to place a call to California, and say thank you President Ronald Reagan."
-- Dick Cheney, the Southern Center for International Studies, August 2000.

When do you suppose Cheney is going to get around to thanking Clinton?

As usual...well said....

 

[Timebuilder]

That's who I thought of first but it didn't add up. Monica and Bill didn't do anything illegal as Tony asserted. Adultery may offend your sensibilities but it isn't illegal.

First, federal employment law prohibits this kind of activity in a federal building by civil servants. Second, as an intern, Monica was a de facto employee and Clinton was her "boss". So both the location of the acts and the acts themselves (sexual relations with an employee under his direct supervision) are illegal.

And yes, adultery IS still illegal, and it is still legal grounds for divorce.

We were successful in Afganistan in spite of the lack of funding of the military and intelligence groups under Clinton. Our Afganistan campaign is a testament to the ability of our military to do a lot with a little, our superior weaponry and technology, and the support of the American people. Their success in Iraq is very impressive, considering their difficult circumstances.

I guess Al Franken thinks it is witty to refer to this as "baling wire and string", but it only shows me that his best writing is behind him, and was served up by names like Ackroyd and Belushi.

I feel genuinely sorry for him.

 

[Typhoon1244]

I guess Al Franken thinks it is witty to refer to this as "baling wire and string", but it only shows me that his best writing is behind him, and was served up by names like Ackroyd and Belushi.

I feel genuinely sorry for him.

You're far from correct, T.B. Read the book. Unlike most of Rush's material, it has the virtue of being well researched and documented.

 

[Timebuilder]

If I had that much time to waste, I would then have to write an entire book documenting all of the opinions and assumptions that are really intentional lies on Al's part. See, I'm already familiar with the technique of mention a fact, provide some spin, mention another fact, make a leap in illogic, mention a fact, and duck an issue.

You have to remember, I used to live in that camp. I know the drill. That's why I find conservatism such a freshing change from all that BS I used to sling!