Rumors are that Delta .....scope....pilots.....$$$

[waveflyer]

You guys just can't stay on topic can you.
It was your ego in part that got us into this-
Have enough self esteem to address outsourcing without having to change the subject, talk like a kid, and say "but Mom!! It doesn't matter that I stole $5 out of your purse- Johnny DIDN'T RAKE THE LEAVES!!"

 

[Scoot 11]

Wasn't it senior SWA dudes who were the real pushers behind age 65?

According to "wave," that's a dodge!
But, to answer you question. YES, their senior pilots sold out their junior pilots in order to deepen their pockets....AKA age 65. But that's not a sellout according to "wave."

 

[Scoot 11]

Guys, we all know how this is going down regardless of what Genitals says. Delta will fold like a cheap suit for a minimal pay raise. Their narrow body captains will make a little less than SWA FOs and all Delta FOs will make less than an Air Force pilot.

Oh really? Can you tell me the powerball numbers? Or do you get most of your information when you hear your superior officers talking when you're bringing them coffee?

I'm using history as my guide. This is a good chance for the industry to take a step forward, but the industry is asking the scrubs to win a big game. So, in other words, prepare to be underwhelmed and disappointed.

Is this the same history that brought the Delta pilots C2k, with the highest pay rates of ANYONE in Us aviation history? Your attempt at humor is as lame as your history knowledge. Keep trying though.

 

[waveflyer]

According to "wave," that's a dodge!
But, to answer you question. YES, their senior pilots sold out their junior pilots in order to deepen their pockets....AKA age 65. But that's not a sellout according to "wave."

JOHNNY DIDN'T RAKE THE LEAVES!!! BUT JOHNNY DIDN'T RAKE THE LEAVES!!!

Dude, IMO- it was a sellout. But check the title of this thread^^^^

Is this thread about how senior swa pilots sold out the junior by lobbying to raise retirement age? Or is this thread about delta's next contract and rumors about scope? ^^^^

Or are you guys so prideful that you'll continue to believe that you haven't been the BIGGEST cause of the race to the bottom with your acceptance and consent to the proliferation of RJs-

Are you capable of staying on topic? Or is your only defense: "you guys sellout too"

If you want to go there- we can- bc neither the type requirement, the history of low pay in lieu of big time profit sharing, or age 65 comes close- doesn't even get within a mile of the damage DALPA and the rest of the legacy unions have done to this profession by outsourcing -

But keep trying to deflect, deflect, deflect.

And ultimately- that's the problem- for every general lee, that has no problem seeing a problem and taking an honest look at it- there are at least two Bill Lumberg's and Scoot's who simply can't

 

[pilotyip]

:bawling:so much for the brotherhood of airline pilots.

 

[waveflyer]

The highest pay?
Do you know about inflation Scoot?
Not even close brother- though delta has always been one of the top tier jobs and contracts- its just the misunderstanding and selfishness of outsourcing that is their issue

 

[KarmaPolice]

If management and DALPA can spin the "Scope adjustment " as though it doesn't hurt, and actually helps the pilots, I'm afraid it might pass. These guys want their money back and they don't really care if more 76 seaters are flying around. Especially if there is a clever argument that lets self centered pilots justify it in their minds. (like the block hour ratio BS).

50 seaters are going away regardless, and management (intelligently) is going to try and get something out of us to lessen the blow, using the self centered pilots. Meanwhile we will get raises we were going to get eventually anyway (how long do they expect us to fly for so much less than SWAPA rates?

I hope this doesn't happen, but I am afraid it will.

 

[Scoot 11]

The highest pay?
Do you know about inflation Scoot?
Not even close brother- though delta has always been one of the top tier jobs and contracts- its just the misunderstanding and selfishness of outsourcing that is their issue

I don't disagree with you on the outsourcing part. The first contract that allowed outsourcing in 1986, was 5 years before I even got here. Shortly after I was hired in 91, I was furloughed. But that's another story altogether.
All this testosterone over something that hasn't been presented is just hot air. That's why I prefer to see the final product of what's on the table.

 

[FBN0223]

DALPA has to deliver or they'll be replaced. 4600 pilots have said they want the DPA. That number would most likely double overnight if DALPA tries to sell a crappy TA.

 

[CFIT]

DALPA has to deliver or they'll be replaced. 4600 pilots have said they want the DPA. That number would most likely double overnight if DALPA tries to sell a crappy TA.

Getting rid of ALPA may be the only remaining prayer this industry has to return to what it once was.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

DALPA has to deliver or they'll be replaced. 4600 pilots have said they want the DPA. That number would most likely double overnight if DALPA tries to sell a crappy TA.

Or you could divide your quoted number by half and that is how many pilots the clowns got to send cards in....it doesn't mean they will vote ALPA out.

Sorry to burst your balloon.

 

[Rough67]

Or you could divide your quoted number by half and that is how many pilots the clowns got to send cards in....it doesn't mean they will vote ALPA out.

Sorry to burst your balloon.

I will.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Tough being the minority Eh Rough?

 

[Rough67]

If there is any number that increases relating to RJs (seats, # of airframes, # of 76 seaters.. You get my point) in the t/a, the card goes in. Have a nice day

 

[goahead]

We shall see DAL pilots........