RPC the right choice....Frontier to be sold?

[StaySeated]

It has been brought up a number of times by the RPC supporters.

How does "one list" help the junior 357 pilots if Frontier is sold or is liquidated?

I REALLY hope the 357 pilots listened to the RPC suggestion, "don't waste your only vote" and "educate yourself" before voting.

The IBT' argument during the SLI was one of risk.

They were assuming new risk with the brand and they were worried about the brand bringing down the ship and causing furloughs or even worse, a ch.11.

You heard it here first, a Frontier guy saying that "the IBT was right"!

Frontier is risky and it is bringing down the ship.

Why are you still trying to climb aboard?

Frontier is going away.

The RPC is the only structure that WORKS.

Vote RPC.

 

[Beetle007]

It has been brought up a number of times by the RPC supporters.

How does "one list" help the junior 357 pilots if Frontier is sold or is liquidated?

Are you saying that Frontier pilots would be able to take the jobs of junior Republic pilots and using that as your fear tactic. Since you are a Frontier pilot, I doubt that is the reason you are supporting RPC.

If Frontier was sold or liquidated, please describe how the RPC would benefit the junior republic pilots while not harming the Frontier pilots. If you can't describe that, then I question everything you say.

Stop telling Republic pilots why they should want RPC when it is clearly YOU that wants RPC.

 

[StaySeated]

Are you saying that Frontier pilots would be able to take the jobs of junior Republic pilots and using that as your fear tactic. Since you are a Frontier pilot, I doubt that is the reason you are supporting RPC.

If Frontier was sold or liquidated, please describe how the RPC would benefit the junior republic pilots while not harming the Frontier pilots. If you can't describe that, then I question everything you say.

Stop telling Republic pilots why they should want RPC when it is clearly YOU that wants RPC.

If Frontier is liquidated, the RPC will not help the Frontier pilots.

However, the RPC can help protect the current 357 pilots if and when a transaction or liquidation occurs.

My overall point is this, "one list" is not a great idea today.

 

[sociald]

You will say anything for a vote for RPC. It's kinda amusing, if you knew how much FAPA ha pissed off 98% of the RAH pilot ground, you would probably stop wasting your time. Have fun with your pipedream till the votes are counted. 357

 

[hockeypilot44]

You will say anything for a vote for RPC. It's kinda amusing, if you knew how much FAPA ha pissed off 98% of the RAH pilot ground, you would probably stop wasting your time. Have fun with your pipedream till the votes are counted. 357

If you knew how much the fee for departure pilots have pissed off 98 percent of the Frontier pilots and Midwest pilots, you would realize that this merger is not going to work no matter how much you want it to.

 

[Beetle007]

If Frontier is liquidated, the RPC will not help the Frontier pilots.

However, the RPC can help protect the current 357 pilots if and when a transaction or liquidation occurs.

What would the RPC do to protect the Republic pilots that the Teamsters can't do? You have never answered that question because there is no logical answer.

The Teamsters are highly motivated to protect the Republic pilots because the Republic pilots will be the strong majority in any single list union. Having a council that is 50% Frontier pilots will only dilute the power of the Republic pilots. It will not provide them any benefit. I see that as being very bad for the Republic pilots if Frontier is ever sold or liquidated.

 

[sociald]

How much I want it to work? I don't want it to work, i want this whole ********************ing thing to fail, doomed from the beginning.

 

[Bolo]

Don't let the door hit you on the azz on the way out. FU and the RPC.

Back at you RAH Bro!

 

[stratus72]

StaySeated, I know who Chqflyer is... 3 of his "IBT Brothers" ratted him out. ;-) I know, take that info with a grain of salt. If you know how to do it, for $4.95 you can track the ISP registration of his flight info account (I didn't go that far)...easy enough to verify the identification...perfectly legal too. I for one could care less...he's entitled to be an ass. Nonetheless, it's funny how foolish some people act on this board...and so easy to find out who 75% of these people are. This is not a secure site, nor are most forum boards out there. At best, 25% of the users know how to encrypt all this info. Hell, a hacker could do this for free...very basic stuff from what I'm told. This sure is a small industry...being a prick can bite you in the A$$. If his name matches up, one could definitely keep it handy...some folks know a lot of people on the hiring boards at numerous airlines. Chqflyer, you're entitled to your opinion, but be careful who you tell to "FK off" you've done it more than once...some people will take offense to it. ;-)

 

[chqflyer]

Fair enough. I have been blowing quite a bit of extra steam on these boards than I usually do. I can crank it back down a couple notches. I'm actually surprised the mods haven't given me a vacation. All this merger crap on top of the usual RAH crap has me so far beyond giving a damn anymore, that I've not been tempering my responses. My RAH bros can definitely attest to the fact that I am an obnoxious blowhard that resides at the top of many people's no-fly list.

 

[stratus72]

Fair enough. I have been blowing quite a bit of extra steam on these boards than I usually do. I can crank it back down a couple notches. I'm actually surprised the mods haven't given me a vacation. All this merger crap on top of the usual RAH crap has me so far beyond giving a damn anymore, that I've not been tempering my responses. My RAH bros can definitely attest to the fact that I am an obnoxious blowhard that resides at the top of many people's no-fly list.

Fair enough...I'm not dropping your name to anyone.

 

[Bolo]

Fair enough. I have been blowing quite a bit of extra steam on these boards than I usually do. I can crank it back down a couple notches. I'm actually surprised the mods haven't given me a vacation. All this merger crap on top of the usual RAH crap has me so far beyond giving a damn anymore, that I've not been tempering my responses. My RAH bros can definitely attest to the fact that I am an obnoxious blowhard that resides at the top of many people's no-fly list.

I can believe that. Not a good thing to have your cover blown and going off the deep end.

 

[StaySeated]

I don't care who she is.

I am pretty sure that everyone at F9 knows who I am, rather outspoken at times myself....

Copied the following from another board. I really want the current 357 pilots to step back from the fear mongering and look at what your union is doing for you, or more importantly, what they are not doing for you.

"

This is not about who has more money in the bank.

This is about where your hard earned dues dollars go, and what type of Return on Investment you get for those dollars.

Do 100% of your dues remain in-house

IBT - No, Dues are siphoned to a third party
RPC - Yes, all dues stay in-house, unless the 357 pilots decide to keep IBT, which is entirely their call

Do your dues cover critically important benefits, like LTD insurance?

IBT - No, you must purchase LTD at an additional cost
RPC - YES, LTD premium payments are included in your DUES (and the company is contractually required to pay 90% of the LTD premiums!)

Do your dues cover aeromedical services?

IBT - No, you must purchase aeromedical at an additional cost
RPC - YES, aeromedical is paid in full with a portion of your hard earned dues dollars. Ask anyone that has ever had a medical issue how critically important our aero-medical team at Virtual Flight Surgeon is when it really matters.

Have your bargaining representatives negotiated benefits that are better than the other RAH work groups?

IBT - No, you participate in the same group insurance programs as everyone else at RAH.
RPC - Yes, a special STD plan is in place that provides far superior benefits when compared to the RAH group STD.

These are just a few of the benifits that all 3000 RAH pilots can enjoy if we elect the RPC.

Before you vote, ask yourself why the IBT has decided that you are not important enough to deserve LTD, aeromedical, and STD coverage.
"

 

[stratus72]

Putting emotions aside, I agree (BIG SURPRISE, I know) with StaySeated. If we can't remain separate (for the time being) I think RPC will best represent the group as a whole. In addition, there are some very valuable benefits that we'll get as members...we won't see that with IBT. I know some of us go back and forth on here and it gets heated. In reality, I personally have nothing against members of the IBT. We all want what we perceive to be the best for ourselves and our families. We want FAPA and they want IBT. RPC would be a nice middle ground. Regardless, I'll continue to keep it professional at work and I hope the RAH guys do the same. Vote what's best for you...that's the reality of things.

 

[SizzleChest]

I don't care who she is.

I am pretty sure that everyone at F9 knows who I am, rather outspoken at times myself....

Copied the following from another board. I really want the current 357 pilots to step back from the fear mongering and look at what your union is doing for you, or more importantly, what they are not doing for you.

"

This is not about who has more money in the bank.

This is about where your hard earned dues dollars go, and what type of Return on Investment you get for those dollars.

Do 100% of your dues remain in-house

IBT - No, Dues are siphoned to a third party
RPC - Yes, all dues stay in-house, unless the 357 pilots decide to keep IBT, which is entirely their call

Do your dues cover critically important benefits, like LTD insurance?

IBT - No, you must purchase LTD at an additional cost
RPC - YES, LTD premium payments are included in your DUES (and the company is contractually required to pay 90% of the LTD premiums!)

Do your dues cover aeromedical services?

IBT - No, you must purchase aeromedical at an additional cost
RPC - YES, aeromedical is paid in full with a portion of your hard earned dues dollars. Ask anyone that has ever had a medical issue how critically important our aero-medical team at Virtual Flight Surgeon is when it really matters.

Have your bargaining representatives negotiated benefits that are better than the other RAH work groups?

IBT - No, you participate in the same group insurance programs as everyone else at RAH.
RPC - Yes, a special STD plan is in place that provides far superior benefits when compared to the RAH group STD.

These are just a few of the benifits that all 3000 RAH pilots can enjoy if we elect the RPC.

Before you vote, ask yourself why the IBT has decided that you are not important enough to deserve LTD, aeromedical, and STD coverage.
"

Don't forget to include the RESPONSES to what you posted from the other board... don't wanna appear biased now do you?