Roll a C-172?

[flyifrvfr]

I was not the pilot flying but a CFI I was working with rolled the 172. Back in my student pilot/ tractor trailer driver days, I would always place my wallet which was fat with cash for flying on the glareshield. My CFI lowered the nose to pick up speed and raised the nose to about 20 degrees above the horizon. Just as the airplane reached 20 degrees, he rolled the 172 to the right. He allowed the nose to drop ever so slightly once the airplane was inverted. Rolling out of the last portion he slightly reloaded the controls and arrested the slight descent.

During the entire roll, my wallet which again was fat with cash, stayed in place. I also recall a negitive G demo using a pair of sunglasses. The sunglasses rose out of my palm and I made them float to the back of the plane. We went positive and the glasses fell to the floor. I asked mt CFI to go negitive again and when the glasses rose up I made them float back up to me.

 

[RipCurl]

Yeah I used to love doing those zero G apexes in the old 172s until my engine started sputtering one day... that kinda woke me up.

 

[beernuts]

You can probably roll any aircraft out there; even the Marines rolled a CH-53 heavy helo once. I personally know of two pilots who rolled a heavy business jet. With pax.

I'd never do that kind of crap.[/QUOTE]
were the pilots still employed for the landing?

 

[FracCapt]

For those of you considering rolling an airplane that is not designed for it, and you are not trained in aerobatics....don't...you might just add another entry to the NTSB reports. Don't be stupid. Get some training. A fair word of warning, though...if you come to ME for aerobatic training and ask me if you can roll a 172, I'm going to kick your a$$ right out the door for being stupid.

 

[dseagrav]

I personally know of two pilots who rolled a heavy business jet. With pax.

I bet the NTSB loved this one... I'm looking in the DB for details. Got any specifics?

 

[UnstableAviator]

I'd love to roll a C-172, but I know once I did it I could not keep my mouth shut and I'd probably get in trouble.

So, I'll just keep going straight and level and doing the occasional steep turn or even (gasp) chandelle.

 

[nosehair]

What is this? Is everyone infected with "Election-Speak" - saying one thing, but doing another?

 

[Bluestreak]

Has anyone ever rolled a cessna 172? I have done plenty of spins in my 172 and have always wanted to roll it. Just wondering if anyone has ever experienced this?

1100 hours and bored already.I guess all that load factor/bank angle stuff just went right over your head.This guy thought he knew more than the aircraft manufacturer,too.Too bad he killed an innocent person: NTSB Identification: ATL95FA078 .
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Public Inquiries
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Saturday, April 08, 1995 in COVINGTON, TN
Probable Cause Approval Date: 9/24/1995
Aircraft: PIPER PA-34-200T, registration: N6390C
Injuries: 2 Fatal.

THE COMMERCIAL PILOT WAS MAKING WHAT WAS REPORTED TO BE HIS LAST FLIGHT IN THE AIRPLANE, BECAUSE HE WAS TAKING A JOB AS A COMMUTER PILOT. A CFI, WHO TALKED WITH THE PILOT BEFORE DEPARTURE, REPORTED THAT THE PILOT SAID HE WAS GOING TO 'ROLL THE AIRPLANE.' WITNESSES REPORTED THAT THE RIGHT WING FOLDED BACK, WITH A LOUD BOOMING NOISE. NO INFLIGHT SMOKE OR FIRE WAS REPORTED. AN EXAMINATION OF THE WRECKAGE REVEALED THAT THE LEFT STABILATOR FAILED IN POSITIVE OVERLOAD (FAILED DOWN). THE RIGHT WING FAILED AT THE WING ROOT, AND ALSO OUTBOARD OF THE RIGHT ENGINE. THE LEFT WING FAILED OUTBOARD OF THE LEFT ENGINE. WING SPAR EXAMINATION REVEALED THAT THERE WAS UPWARD (POSITIVE) BENDING, BUT FAILURE WAS IN THE DOWNWARD DIRECTION. ALL FRACTURE SURFACES SHOWED EVIDENCE OF OVERLOAD; THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF FATIGUE OBSERVED. THE PILOT'S OPERATING HANDBOOK INCLUDES THE LIMITATION THAT ALL INTENTIONAL AEROBATIC MANEUVERS ARE PROHIBITED IN THIS AIRPLANE. The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

THE PILOT EXCEEDED THE DESIGN STRESS LIMITS OF THE AIRCRAFT AND SUBSEQUENT OVERLOAD FAILURES OF THE STABILATOR AND WING SPARS.

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[BORAT]

Ahhhh, just a word of advice. NEVER ROLL A RENTAL AIRPLANE. Just like a $50 hooker you don't know what she has been through and who flew her last.

 

[laser]

What? 50 bucks isn't good enough anymore?.......Dang it!

 

[kilroy]

I,ve rolled cessna 152,172,182,cherokke 140,180,mooney,cessna340,Westwind and a Lear, you can roll anything without hurting or eveng speeling your beer.

 

[NoahWerka]

Why would you want to?

 

[leardrivr]

I,ve rolled cessna 152,172,182,cherokke 140,180,mooney,cessna340,Westwind and a Lear, you can roll anything without hurting or eveng speeling your beer.

Yep, I have rolled alot of airplanes too. However I have to go with the general advice on this one. Get some aerobatic training before you go out and try anything on your own. Even if it is the kind of training you don't have to pay for. If you get where I am coming from. I spent a summer flying around in a pitts S-2 and a Christian Eagle with a guy from my bowling team before I even started my private Pilot training. So when I got into a cessna the first time I was preaty good at barrels, snaps, hammerheads, spins........... you get my point. So don't go out there and do something stupid. If you fell even a little nervous about attempting a new manuver in an airplane. You don't want to try it without some guidence from someone who knows what they are doing. I hope you will go and get profesional training in an aproved aircraft. But if you don't. Atleast get someone to show you how to properly execute any new manuver before you try it on your own. You don't want to be responsable for overstressing an airframe that someone else may want to fly after you have had your kicks. Have fun and fly safe!

 

[BORAT]

I dunno about the price of whores, but currently a CFI goes for about $50 so I just figured it would do. THE BOTTOM LINE IS...GET PROPER AEROBATIC TRAINING IN AN APPROPRIATE AIRCRAFT...And never fly club aerobatic planes unless you are sure about who has been flying them.

 

[Traumahawk]

good points...

You will notice the first time someone does an aileron roll they start to relax the roll input as they go inverted...i guess the awe or distraction of being upsidedown makes em forget to keep it in there...and then u end up with a potential split-S scenario which at the speed they are probably at isn't such a great idea!!

If you're going to go out and do this no matter how many people tell u not to...make sure if things don't look right u roll back to level or near level before pulling.

And one more thing:
You can only bend a tin can soo many times!....how old is the average trainer....20+ years??? Properly done it's a 1G manuever excluding a 2G pull into it...but how many people have screwed it up? Not just acro either....Hell...ive had students try to pull out of a spiral so hard it made the DPE rip something fierce...(the older guys don't have as much control)

Oh, and if it has wood spars, you really only get to overstress it once. Crack.

Be careful with the antiques.....

T-Hawk

 

[No Delay]

Originally Posted by BORAT:
Ahhhh, just a word of advice. NEVER ROLL A RENTAL AIRPLANE. Just like a $50 hooker you don't know what she has been through and who flew her last.

Borat - That was too funny!

Originally Posted by Bluestreak:
1100 hours and bored already.I guess all that load factor/bank angle stuff just went right over your head.

Bluestreak - Don't be a nerd. We are just having fun shooting the breeze.
Besides, I was only with your mama a couple of times and I am already bored with her.