Road show info?

[dtfl]

Delta guys - post any road show info you get k?

 

[DL_Infidel]

Delta guys - post any road show info you get k?

dtfl,

I wasn't there but here are a few points I got off the DALPA boards. Malone said this is the best we're gonna do...went back several times to get the two sides past an impasse...no going back for more. If this TA is voted down, expect more pain/suffering/furloughs...etc.

Council 66 wrote this:

"The MEC would not have ratified this TA unless Delta management presented us with workable business and financial plans that were thoroughly evaluated by our professional advisors. While we don't agree with every aspect of management's 5-year plan, our concessions, combined with those from the non-contract employees and other entities provide cost savings of the magnitude needed to make a recovery possible."

I also read that controlling the 70-seat flying was never a priority of the negotiating committee...that disturbs me. Their rationale being, its cost prohibitive...cheaper for DCI to fly them. Well, using that logic, let's hand them our 777s...they can fly them for less as well. Increasing our debt load by purchasing a/c our pilots are not going to fly is crazy. Our furloughees should flow down into the left seat of these a/c at the very least. Oh wait, we have something much more valuable in this TA...preferential hiring at COM/ASA...and we don't have to give up our DL seniority #.

 

[AMRCostUnit]

dtfl,

I wasn't there but here are a few points I got off the DALPA boards. Malone said this is the best we're gonna do...went back several times to get the two sides past an impasse...no going back for more. If this TA is voted down, expect more pain/suffering/furloughs...etc.

Council 66 wrote this:

"The MEC would not have ratified this TA unless Delta management presented us with workable business and financial plans that were thoroughly evaluated by our professional advisors. While we don't agree with every aspect of management's 5-year plan, our concessions, combined with those from the non-contract employees and other entities provide cost savings of the magnitude needed to make a recovery possible."

I also read that controlling the 70-seat flying was never a priority of the negotiating committee...that disturbs me. Their rationale being, its cost prohibitive...cheaper for DCI to fly them. Well, using that logic, let's hand them our 777s...they can fly them for less as well. Increasing our debt load by purchasing a/c our pilots are not going to fly is crazy. Our furloughees should flow down into the left seat of these a/c at the very least. Oh wait, we have something much more valuable in this TA...preferential hiring at COM/ASA...and we don't have to give up our DL seniority #.

Having been through the dog and pony roadshow year and a half ago you have to ask yourself a couple of questions:

1. What seat and seniorty are the guys giving the presentation holding?

2. What interest do they have in seeing the T/A pass?


The junior guys at AA are now figuring out that when they said "We need you to save the company" they REALLY meant "We need you to save OUR retirements."

As the seagull in Nemo said, "Nice."

Unit

 

[dtfl]

Bump...........................................

 

[KingAirKiddo]

dtfl,

I wasn't there but here are a few points I got off the DALPA boards. Malone said this is the best we're gonna do...went back several times to get the two sides past an impasse...no going back for more. If this TA is voted down, expect more pain/suffering/furloughs...etc.

Council 66 wrote this:

"The MEC would not have ratified this TA unless Delta management presented us with workable business and financial plans that were thoroughly evaluated by our professional advisors. While we don't agree with every aspect of management's 5-year plan, our concessions, combined with those from the non-contract employees and other entities provide cost savings of the magnitude needed to make a recovery possible."

I also read that controlling the 70-seat flying was never a priority of the negotiating committee...that disturbs me. Their rationale being, its cost prohibitive...cheaper for DCI to fly them. Well, using that logic, let's hand them our 777s...they can fly them for less as well. Increasing our debt load by purchasing a/c our pilots are not going to fly is crazy. Our furloughees should flow down into the left seat of these a/c at the very least. Oh wait, we have something much more valuable in this TA...preferential hiring at COM/ASA...and we don't have to give up our DL seniority #.

Here we go again.

For the record, I feel that the only solution to this problem is to staple a combined ASA/Comair merged seniority list to the bottom of the DAL list with appropriate fences. Otherwise this pissing contest has no end in sight.

By the way, the preferential hiring will probably be at Chautauqua since we at Comair have been deemed "too expensive" to obtain additional airplanes. (Brand scope anyone?)

It's too bad we can't seem to get the Delta "family" on the same page. We all have a vested interest in making Delta a successful and competitive company moving forward, but we are all so busy protecting our corners of the sandbox that we are missing the big picture.

I start my vacation tomorrow, so I believe it's Miller time. Y'all have fun hashing this one out.

 

[dtfl]

Ahem. Please read above posts and see that the Mod has created an ENTIRE post for REGIOnAL jet/DCI scope discussions!

 

[KingAirKiddo]

Fair enough