RJDC Litigation Update

[XRMEFLYER]

the regionals have already set the bar lower

For who? You?

Why can't people see that you are replacing high paying jobs with lower paying jobs

It's called capitalism! Get used to it!

there won't be any high paying Delta jobs in the future for anyone to go to if this trend continues

The sky is falling the sky is falling!

AMF

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

You have over 1000 people on the street because of your MEC. Plus we the pilots (CMR) don't have any control over our management to hire or not hire with or without giving up seniority, but you know that.

You know for once (and only once) you are correct about one RJDC guy I can't get on with DAL Mainline and it does make sense, I've got less than 7 months to go and I don't think you'll be hiring ole phat phart short timers.

..and I suppose that if the Delta MEC capitulated, the Comair geniuses on these boards would be tripping over themselves saying how the Delta pilots are lowering the bar.

You only have six months left? Thank God. One more down, several to go.

--a concerned regional pilot

 

[Thedude]

You boys at the RJDC just dont get it....its not about the size of the airplane but the size of the paycheck and Comair IS NEVER going to be willing to pay mainline rates.

 

[InclusiveScope]

You boys at the RJDC just dont get it....its not about the size of the airplane but the size of the paycheck and Comair IS NEVER going to be willing to pay mainline rates.

Actually Mr. Dud, I do get it. Your right, it SHOULD NOT be about the size of the airplane. However ALPA and the mainline MECs have decided that treatment and fairness ARE based solely on the SIZE of the aircraft. That is exactly how we got in this predicament. At first, if you flew 19 seat turboprops, you weren't a real airline pilot. Then if you flew 30 seat turboprops, you weren't a real airline pilot. Then if you flew 50 seat jets, you weren't a real airline pilot. Then if you flew 70 seat jets, you weren't a real airline pilot.

Above my desk, hangs a picture of a Delta DC-4. This is a 48 passenger propeller plane that was flown by "major" airline pilots. What happened Mr. Dud? Who dropped the ball here - it wasn't the ASA and CMR pilots. It wasn't RJDC. Who was it Mr. Dud?

Inclusivescope
"Regional" pilot with a "Major" attitude

 

[FlyComAirJets]

The DAL MEC does not have to "capitulate," they just need to realize that we all need to work with, not against, one another. Backstabbing fellow employees, er FELLOW WORKERS, behind closed doors is not conducive to trust. Comair alone has hired 570+ pilots since 9/11, ASA and CHQ have hired many hundreds more. That could have mitigated all their furloughees. Not one ASA/CMR pilots would be flying at mainline nor would they for many years. And yet, the DAL still can't find his way to the door. Sad, actually.

It's nice to know that you aren't a "Comair genius." I like how you made that clear distinction and separated yourself from that.

 

[FlyComAirJets]

It figures.

But if the lawsuit has no merit, as these clowns whine, then why do they have to stoop to all these tricks? Me thinks they do protest too much.

 

[InclusiveScope]

I agree my good friend...they do protest too much. They are now pulling the posts off the ALPA boards. Much grease is being applied to a problem that is "without merit"

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

The DAL MEC does not have to "capitulate," they just need to realize that we all need to work with, not against, one another. Backstabbing fellow employees, er FELLOW WORKERS, behind closed doors is not conducive to trust. Comair alone has hired 570+ pilots since 9/11, ASA and CHQ have hired many hundreds more. That could have mitigated all their furloughees. Not one ASA/CMR pilots would be flying at mainline nor would they for many years. And yet, the DAL still can't find his way to the door. Sad, actually.

On the point of one list, I agree. As to the blam I do not.

It's nice to know that you aren't a "Comair genius." I like how you made that clear distinction and separated yourself from that.

That is correct, I am not a "Comair genius", as I typed it. It was a sarcastic phrase which described the types of our group who frequent this board. Like you. The posts which are before this one support that insight. I see it daily on the line. Perhaps you guys can come up with another quiz, or something else which has nothing to do with the argument at hand.

--a concerned regional pilot

 

[Freight Dog]

How would RJDC force Delta Air Lines management to merge CMR/ASA into Delta mainline? Just curious....

 

[FlyComAirJets]

The RJDC cannot force DAL management to merge CMR/ASA into Delta mainline. Their's is a duty of fair representation case against their own union for failing to fairly represent CMR and ASA pilots. It's that simple.

In 2000, it was the application of the PID that sought to equitably merge ASA, CMR, and DAL as part of a time-proven internal union process. Then they would have gone to management and negotiated a settlement.

CMR and DAL were deep into the Section 6 amendment of their respective contracts at the time so to imply that DAL management would never, ever agree to such a thing is ridiculous. During negotiations, everything is open.

Now, flash forward to 2004. ASA is now in their own contract amendment negotiations. CMR pilots were recently approached by their pseudo managers regarding contract relief and, of course, DAL management has been carping for astounding concessions for months from mainline pilots.

With deepening losses, DAL is desperate to get concessions from us. They tried to dangle "growth" aircraft before us but we did not bite (thanks Chautauqua). If management wants to keep the whipsaw status quo more than contractural relief, that's just fine with me. If on the other hand, they wish to change their current operating model (see, I avoided calling it a paradigm shift!), then they can always come talk with us but in this quid pro quid negotiations world, they will need to to offer something in return.

Now, what do you suppose that could be?

 

[FDJ2]

It just looks like a fishing expedition to me. I would have thought that the RJDC would have been able to narrow their interrogatories.

 

[surplus1]

It just looks like a fishing expedition to me. I would have thought that the RJDC would have been able to narrow their interrogatories.

Why? Should the interrogatories be narrowed to the point that permits ALPA to obscure its behavior? If they have nothing to hide, why are they hiding? 'Fess up and let the courts decide if the claims are without merit.