RJ history?

[FlyDeltasJets]

Seriously, the code share thing is dangerous. I think the U pilots have written their own siren song. I agree WE have to stay competitive. There are better ways. Think about it.






------------Believe me, I am.



PS. I did think I was wrong once and admitted it, but I made a mistake. I was actually right all along.

So weren't you wrong by thinking you were wrong when you were actually right?

(And they say we pilots have big egos!)

 

[DaveGriffin]

Will management offer "seats for jobs" to the Delta MEC for their support of code share? It's not really that much different than "jets for jobs".

 

[enigma]

Enigma,
You didn't raise my ire, as I just pointed out that you were making fun of people who flame at your posts, while flaming them at the same time. That is all. I do read your posts, and I also try to find common ground. I find, however, that the only way you can find common ground is for me to agree with you. Perhaps I'm the same way, but I dont' think that insulting me is a good way of going about it. I have never done that to you, but if you think it's a good strategy, then please, continue.

One question, would someone please explain a "reverse code-share," to me? I am still one that is willing to learn something new. Thanks in advance for the assistance.

SDD, Maybe you're correct. Maybe I'm inconsistent. That's one reason that I choose name myself "puzzle". Or maybe you're just a contrarian, and like to give a negative reply to my posts. I think both actually.

I stand by what I posted, with this one addition. I don't consider asking you read and think about my posts as an insult to you. If I wanted to be insulting I wouldn't be veiled about it. Sarcastic, maybe, testy, maybe, but not cowardly.

Here is the passage I wrote, that you originally and apparently found fault with: "You know, it's sort of funny. Someone posts a question asking why all the fuss about why RJ's are disliked, and the string goes into multiple pages. I pose a few questions that don't require any name calling or controversy and none of the loudmouths have anything to say. " Where did I flame anyone in that passage?

You wrote: "Perhaps I'm the same way, but I dont' think that insulting me is a good way of going about it." Sorry bud, but I never mentioned you nor any other specific person in any manner. Not in some sideways insinuation, nor in any veiled way. It may insult you, but SDD was not on my mind when I wrote that. Sorry. Me thinks you protest to loudly. I ran something up the flagpole and you saluted. Who really labeled you a loudmouth? me, or you?

enigma

That's my defense. I'm done. You're welcome to the last word.

 

[Kaman]

Early "RJs"

Hello,
Looking back at airline history, it is obvious that the "RJ" concept is hardly anything new. What is new is the timing and the thought process behind it in today's world. Back in the mid-1960's, Boeing and Douglas both introduced the DC-9-10 and Boeing 737-100. However, at the time a large number of rgional carriers were in business (Trans Texas, Ozark, North Central, etc...)and they operated them for many years. These airlines were eventually swallowed up by the "big airlines" during the merger crazed late 70's and 80's.
The service that the early regional airlines differed little from what the regional jet operators of today offer, except for the flashy paint job identifying it's partnership with "XYZ major airline". Sadly, what is different is the corporate culture of modern airlines that no longer have aviaiton pioneers, pilots or aviation-minded people in the head office. The CEOs of today didn't come by their positions thru the sweat of their brow as much as their slick lawyer tricks. Gordon Bethune being the exception to this, at least in my opinion.
All this talk of RJs and the dissent that it has caused in the pilot community must make those fellows smile from their perch in corporate HQs. Speaking of that, have you noticed that most airlines no longer have their head office located on the field any longer? That should tell us something about upper-level management. In management's eyes, airplanes are merely the vehicle that gets the fare paying passengers to their destination. Pilots, mechanics and all other required employees are nothing more than a necessarry evil.
Hopefully, there will be a rennaisance of the certificated regional carrier like the Air New England I grew up around. Perhaps, like-mined aviation people will take back their own industry and return to a level of service, pride in profession and kinship with the flying public that the old regionals once had.
Hang in there folks...

Regards,

ex-Navy rotorhead

 

[bobbysamd]

RJ v. Regional history

I appreciate Kaman's comments, above, and Wiggums' link to RJ history.

Further to Kaman's post, scope and reverse-code share aside, all of this is repetition of airline history. There have always been "regionals" and "mainlines." Let's go back even forty or fifty years ago and we hear the terms "feeder" and "trunk" being thrown about. So, what were the early "RJs"? Well, they weren't pure jets. RJs are a reflection of evolving technology.

A great example is the early (I mean 1940s and '50s) Frontier Airlines. The following is a wonderful website on Frontier's early history: The Frontier Airlines History Page Early Frontier newspaper ad

Review of this history shows that Frontier was a regional that comprised the merger of three other regionals (hear that, Mesa?). Equipment? DC-3s. Fast-forward to 1976. I recall taking a flight on Frontier from Denver to Sidney, Nebraska on a Twotter!

There are others. Southern Airways, a regional, also operated DC-3s. Fast-forward about twenty years. Southern and another regional, North Central Airlines, merged and became Republic Airlines. Technology had advanced. I recall that North Central operated CV-580s. I recall during that same era taking a flight from BOS to BDL on an early RJ, a Mohawk BAC-111.

These examples document that nothing has really changed in the big picture. Instead of 3s feeding DC-7s or 707s, RJs as we know them feed Airbuses, etc.

Moreover, as Kaman notes, management is chortling while pilots bicker, just as did in times of yore. Just a thought to ponder.

Once again, great link to RJ history from Wiggums