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Rival carriers will bid for ATA's Midway hub

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Rival carriers will bid for ATA's Midway hub


By Ted Evanoff
[email protected]
November 18, 2004


AirTran Airways got the official word today that rival carriers will try to outbid it for bankrupt ATA Airlines' Chicago Midway hub.

Lawyers for America West Airlines and Southwest Airlines told a bankruptcy judge in Indianapolis today the companies intend to make separate bids for part or all of ATA.

ATA probably won't see a bidding war for the prime real estate it leases at Midway International Airport, one airline executive said.

However, creditors would welcome any deal that eked out more cash than AirTran's $89.9-million proposal.

Hit by fare wars and record fuel prices, Indianapolis-based ATA filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy Oct. 26. On the same day it revealed a deal taking shape with AirTran for the sale of the rights to the 14 Midway gates and three gates at New York LaGuardia and Reagan Washington.

ATA, which employs 7,700, including 2,300 in Indianapolis, wants to use cash from the sale to regroup as a smaller airline. It would focus on Indianapolis regional service and regular long-haul flights to Hawaii, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Mexico and the Caribbean.

Because a company in bankruptcy generally must open the door to all potential acquirers, ATA can't complete a deal with Flordia-based AirTran without first putting itself up for sale under the court's auspices.

In today's hearing, U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Basil Lorch III set Dec. 10 as the deadline for interested buyers to submit bids. Bids will be opened and reviewed Dec. 13 at the Indianapolis office of Baker and Daniels, ATA's attorney. Lorch will pick a winning bid Dec. 16.

ATA is on a tight schedule to reach a deal before its cash drain resumes after Dec. 23. That's when ATA must again make jet airliner lease payments postponed by the bankruptcy filing.

As it started to run short of cash in June, ATA executives contacted 10 other airlines to ask about a merger or sale of the prized Midway gates. Only AirTran, an Orlando carrier unrelated to ATA, responded with an offer, Gilbert Viets, ATA's chief restructuring officer, said in an interview.

That led to an agreement reached Tuesday with AirTran for an $89.9 million deal to be submitted to the bankruptcy court as part of the ATA auction process.

Today, lawyers for creditors and ATA spent most of the nearly three-hour session wrangling about the pay AirTran should receive for its time in case its bid is rejected Dec. 16.

AirTran asked for a $3.75 million so-called break-up fee if its offer is rejected. ATA would pay the fee. Such fees are considered common in bankruptcy auctions.

Lorch finally cut the debate short, recommending a $3 million fee, which AirTran accepted.

During the debate, America West and Southwest declared they were interested in bidding on ATA.

It happened after an ATA attorney said the $3.75 million was fair because only AirTran had made an effort to negotiate with ATA.

"I don't want to lose this buyer," ATA attorney James Carr said.

Lawyers separately representing Southwest and America West immediately responded, pointing out their airlines were considering making bids.

Elise Eberwein, an America West vice president, in a telephone interview doubted a bidding war would erupt and ratchet the Midway hub's price beyond its market value at a time when most airlines are short on cash.

"This business is ego-driven. You hear a lot of trash talk," Eberwein said. "But at the end of the day no airline is stupid. No one is going to pursue something just to pursue it. It has to make economic sense."
 
Gee, do you think Neelebarger will be sending a team to Daley's office with their plans for those gates in the next 3 years? Probably will include written promises to make Chicago a large 190 base, and will probably include many other employee growth incentives. Let's see, LUV has 2900 employees with 145 flights per day. I'm sure B6 could match that in 3 years.

Of course, nothing for sure, but I sure like their chances.:)
 
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lowecur said:
Gee, do you think Neelebarger will be sending a team to Daley's office with their plans for those gates in the next 3 years? Probably will include written promises to make Chicago a large 190 base, and will probably include many other employee growth incentives. Let's see, LUV has 2900 employees with 145 flights per day. I'm sure B6 could match that in 3 years.

Of course, nothing for sure, but I sure like their chances.:)
If AirTran is awarded those gates in December or any other airline for that matter, those gates are theirs under a long term lease with the city of Chicago and can not be "kicked out" three years later by Jetblue just because they decide they want to get 14 gates at Chicago at that time. I think what Jetblue is talking about when they say they will enter the market is leasing one or two gates as most airlines at Midway do. In order for this deal to go through the city of Chicago will have to agree to it and allow the winning airline to operate out of those gates long term. If they don't then ATA will lose this deal. I don't think Chicago will wait three years for Jetblue to develop their market at MDW and lose all that revenue.

And contrary to what you have said, if AirTran does get those gates they will not sit empty for for years until we grow into them. AirTran will pull 10 717s off of current routes and wet lease 10-15 ATA planes until we can supply the planes to fill all flights at MDW.
 
Lowecur,
You have some interesting points, but it is VERY certain with that point of view you not only do not understand how AAI, or SWA work, let alone maybe ever been to MDW.You forcast is total and unfounded BS. I have sold Insurence and would not think of correcting you or making an guess on how you should do your job. Don't ever think you are as smart as Joe L. or Bob F.
 
lowecur said:
Gee, do you think Neelebarger will be sending a team to Daley's office with their plans for those gates in the next 3 years? Probably will include written promises to make Chicago a large 190 base, and will probably include many other employee growth incentives. Let's see, LUV has 2900 employees with 145 flights per day. I'm sure B6 could match that in 3 years.

Of course, nothing for sure, but I sure like their chances.:)
Lowecur,

It's a free country and you are entitled to prognosticate at will, but please give David Neeleman and Dave Barger some respect by using their correct names, or initials, or some derivative there of. "Neelebarger" may seem funny or cute to you, but it doesn't make you look too bright as there is no such person.

Just a suggestion.

C yaaa
 
I thought it was "Needleman", or maybe even "Needlenose".

Easy guys....comedy club, laugh laugh, chuckle chuckle. Is there a gas leak in here?
 
Citrus Jockey said:
If AirTran is awarded those gates in December or any other airline for that matter, those gates are theirs under a long term lease with the city of Chicago and can not be "kicked out" three years later by Jetblue just because they decide they want to get 14 gates at Chicago at that time.
Exactly. Think about this scenerio. AirTran sticks to their bid at $90M. AWA offers debt swap for stock to the creditors. Gary Kelly has said they may want more gates. Let's say he wants 10-14 gates, and is willing to pay $150M. Now if you're the judge, what do you do? He has to do what's best for the creditors. What would you do? Confused, so is the judge?

Daley will only give his blessing to the AWA deal or AAI deal at first. Why? Because they will keep the 3200 employees. He luvs LUV, but he doesn't want a total monopoly of the facility by SWA. Both AWA and AAI would not be in the greatest financial shape after this deal, so it must work or they will burn through their cash right down to the bottom very quickly. Jetblue will make a very promising presentation to the city, and make no mistake about it Chicago wants Jetblue, but the other two deals offer the 3200 employees immediate work. He could give Jetblue 1-4 gates from the discretionary pile over the next 24 months, and if AWA or AAI get into trouble, Jetblue could always come in and pick up the pieces. That's great, but Jetblue will have made other commitments to probably DFW or ATL by then. What's a mayor to do?

Wow, I'm out of breath.:confused:
 
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ATL? Didn't someone try that? That would be like us going to JFK, attractive but not smart. I'm not buying this policy
 
I hope America West makes a sweet offer and locks in a deal. I think it's a risky proposition for AirTran and the ATA pilots would be better off.
 
lowecur said:
Gary Kelly has said they may want more gates. Let's say he wants 10-14 gates, and is willing to pay $150M.



Lowecur, you are an idiot. If SWA wanted the gates for $90. mil they would have bid for it. Why do you think they are going to offer $50. mil more, but after the fact? What a buffoon.

Both AWA and AAI would not be in the greatest financial shape after this deal, so it must work or they will burn through their cash right down to the bottom very quickly.
Again, spoken like a true idiot. Yeah, AAI is going to be down to $275 million after this deal, or about twice what we had on hand on 9/11/01. Yeah, we'll just be limping along . . . . should've listened to ol' LowIQer . . . . can't make money on those routes, 90% of which we already serve . . . won't be any incremental savings there . . . . . yup, when Joe and Bob retire, we'll have to keep that guy's card handy . .. you know, he sold over a million dollars worth of insurance last year . . . . and got to the next level on Microsoft Flight Simulator, too. A banner year for the ol' Lowecur.
 
Actually, if you read the definitive agreement, AirTran would only pay about $42 million at closing, with the rest spread out as much as 8 years.
That leaves AirTran with over $300 million cash at the end of 2004.
 
AirTran/ATA Definitive agreement thoughts

I've just spent the last hour reading (adnausium) over the "Definitive Agreement" between AirTran and ATA. Although there were many interesting items, two were especially interesting to the threads on this chat board.

1) It officially says that AirTran will give preferential interviews and hiring to "Chicago based mechanic, flight and in-flight crews" as well as land-side/air-side employees. I don't think we are planning on having flight crews based in Chicago. (or are we?) Furthermore, if we do open a Chicago base those flight and in-flight crews who were given preferential hiring status would have to bid Chicago. (unless some sort of "fence" operation were to be implemented)

2) With regards to the termination penalty ($3 million) it says, and I paraphrase, that if AirTran loses one or more of the Midway gates that are involved in this agreement ATA will pay the termination fee. Joe and Bob never cease to amaze me at their intelligence level. We could end up getting just the lucrative LGA and DCA slots/gates and get paid $3 million. Or we could get 13 of the 14 gates at Midway and the LGA and DCA slots/gates and still get the termination fee.

Who knows how this is going to turn out but one thing is for sure - AirTran will either get an extremely lucrative midwestern hub and slots at LGA/DCA or will make just under $3 million in cash for a couple weeks' work. And maybe a little of both.

Cheers
 
Thank you AFCitrus, for some great additional info and clarification. Glad to hear about preferential interviewing/hiring for ATA crews.

Did you happen to see anything in there about also giving us the right to pick up Lowecur by his ankles, and drop him face-first into a pile of dog-doo? I mean other than simply metaphorically speaking, of course.

Just curious . . . .
 
Ty Webb said:
Did you happen to see anything in there about also giving us the right to pick up Lowecur by his ankles, and drop him face-first into a pile of dog-doo? I mean other than simply metaphorically speaking, of course.

Just curious . . . .
I'd like to be the first to bid that position. Really.
 
Front page of USA Today (Internet Edition):
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It's too long to cut and paste, so here's the link: http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-11-18-ata-midway-battle_x.htm

and the lead paragraph...

Posted 11/18/2004 11:22 PM

ATA's Midway departure plans spark air war

By Marilyn Adams, USA TODAY

Chicago's little Midway Airport seems an unlikely battleground, but the backdoor to the USA's No. 1 domestic air market has become the site of an unprecedented, bare-knuckle brawl...
 
Ty Webb said:
Did you happen to see anything in there about also giving us the right to pick up Lowecur by his ankles, and drop him face-first into a pile of dog-doo? . . .
Don't get him excited. Other than the chance of soiling his polyster suit, this may actually appeal to him.
 
FLB717 said:
ATL? Didn't someone try that? That would be like us going to JFK, attractive but not smart. I'm not buying this policy
Let's see. If AAI gets the gates at MDW, didn't they say they will downsize ATL? Jetblue will only go in there again to build a focus city, spidering out throughout the South and Northeast. They have to put those 190's somewhere. Sorry.
 
Ty Webb said:
Lowecur, you are an idiot. If SWA wanted the gates for $90. mil they would have bid for it. Why do you think they are going to offer $50. mil more, but after the fact? What a buffoon. It's $60M more. Do you need a calculator?


Again, spoken like a true idiot. Yeah, AAI is going to be down to $275 million after this deal, or about twice what we had on hand on 9/11/01. Yeah, we'll just be limping along . . . . should've listened to ol' LowIQer . . . . can't make money on those routes, 90% of which we already serve . . . won't be any incremental savings there . . . . . yup, when Joe and Bob retire, we'll have to keep that guy's card handy . .. you know, he sold over a million dollars worth of insurance last year . . . . and got to the next level on Microsoft Flight Simulator, too. A banner year for the ol' Lowecur.


Whatever, you say Ty.:rolleyes:
 
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