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Is that the bridge to nowhere they were talking about??????
 
I'll never forget a riddle diddle in my 121 class who asked the instructor about how to get clearance when there's no clearance delivery at an airport. (no clearance frequency)
 
txpilot1974 said:
What? No more 600 hr wonder pilots? Oh no, what will we all do?!?
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600?! HA! I flew with guys with less then that on the A T Rah in the old days.

Oh god...I just said old days. I haven't been doin this that long I don't think.
 
poor2thecore said:
Anyone know if Riddle still has those bridge agreements with certain regionals like they did in the past?
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Sir...aside from our sarcasm about the ole "300 hour wonders"...I'll attempt a serious answer for you.

I don't think we'll ever see a low time pilot...less than 1000hrs...flying a Transport Catagory ship anymore. This is due to the fallout after the Colgan Q400 crash. There were MANY times I felt "single pilot" as a young Captain at ASA when I flew with some of those "wonder" boys. It wasn't just being a good stick...there basic airline-world skills or instincts that weren't there yet...and just pure maturity as a human and professional pilot. Only very few of them were really 'ready' for it when they came on line.

So...that being said. Unfortunately, those awesome opportunities are gone I believe.

I started flying a Metro III (cargo) in '98 and I barely had 240hrs. Thinking back...no way was I ready for that. A year later I started ASA on the ATR with 860 TT and 640 SIC in that tube called the Metro. I was much better prepared after flying the sewer pipe.

ah well...bottom line...who the hell knows what the future will hold with this issue. But I just don't see pilots with low hours in airlines like before.
 
Headfake14 said:
Sir...aside from our sarcasm about the ole "300 hour wonders"...I'll attempt a serious answer for you.

I don't think we'll ever see a low time pilot...less than 1000hrs...flying a Transport Catagory ship anymore. This is due to the fallout after the Colgan Q400 crash. There were MANY times I felt "single pilot" as a young Captain at ASA when I flew with some of those "wonder" boys. It wasn't just being a good stick...there basic airline-world skills or instincts that weren't there yet...and just pure maturity as a human and professional pilot. Only very few of them were really 'ready' for it when they came on line.

So...that being said. Unfortunately, those awesome opportunities are gone I believe.

I started flying a Metro III (cargo) in '98 and I barely had 240hrs. Thinking back...no way was I ready for that. A year later I started ASA on the ATR with 860 TT and 640 SIC in that tube called the Metro. I was much better prepared after flying the sewer pipe.

ah well...bottom line...who the hell knows what the future will hold with this issue. But I just don't see pilots with low hours in airlines like before.
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You didn't go to Riddle though.
 
Someone told me "new pilot starts" were down 80% at Empty Nipple last year.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Actually, yes...I did...graduated Fall 98.
 
I remember one really long month at ACA with a 300hr wonder who did nothing but bitch about how he got screwed by having to fly the J41. He felt he deserved to fly the CRJ since he had all of that Riddle "experience". And of course...he couldn't fly the J41 worth a sh*t. Tool.
 
erjip said:
I seriously doubt that. Minimum would be 1000/200 for any regional for a long time.
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And where are they going to find all these 1000 hour plus pilots? They don't exist! They may be able to find some for a while but by next year, we will be back to 500 hours or less. Because as we all know, in this country, management won't pay higher salaries to attract labor. That process is only used to attract management types.
 
pipejockey said:
And where are they going to find all these 1000 hour plus pilots? They don't exist! They may be able to find some for a while but by next year, we will be back to 500 hours or less. Because as we all know, in this country, management won't pay higher salaries to attract labor. That process is only used to attract management types.
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They are all over the corporate/charter world. They will come to the airlines if the pay is high enough.
 
j41driver said:
I remember one really long month at ACA with a 300hr wonder who did nothing but bitch about how he got screwed by having to fly the J41. He felt he deserved to fly the CRJ since he had all of that Riddle "experience". And of course...he couldn't fly the J41 worth a sh*t. Tool.
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This type of crap is my main complaint... And there are many "Empty Nipples" (Thanks-Gen-that is pretty good!) like this guy. Intolerable.

Reminds me of some sage advice I saw on one of those police reality shows on time: Some brand new cop asked his crusty old partner what he should do to learn the ropes. The old crusty guy said-"for the first year, just shut up and listen. You don't know enough to have an opinion yet, so we don't care what you have to say."

-If ERAU only had a class in how to "shut up and listen," their guys would be far more appreciated.
 
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One emry dribble I was flying with was reading Nuts. In public and on the job too, how deuchebagy can you get? One other guy keeps saying that his "friends" will get him into Fedex any day now.
 
THERE IS NO PILOT SHORTAGE.

THERE WILL BE NO PILOT SHORTAGE.

What there *might* be in the future is a shortage of qualified (very loosely defined as 1000hr+) pilots willing to work for regional airline compensation & lifestyle - and we've already seen such a thing in the last few years.

NetJets, FlexJet, CitationAir, Avantair, etc. all had no problem finding & hiring pilots with well over 1000tt (or in the cast of the first three, over 2500tt) during the 2005-2008 hiring boom, while some regional airlines were scraping the bottom of the 300hr barrel just to fill classes.

Why? Compensation & lifestyle.

If regional airlines would raise first year guarantee pay to $36k, make second year pay $42k, and third year pay $45k then their pay would be similar to Avantair and I'd bet they wouldn't have any trouble pulling experienced pilots from places like AirNet, CAS, Key Lime, and some charter/corporate operators...not to mention lateral moves from other regionals.
 
CX880 said:
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One emry dribble I was flying with was reading Nuts.
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That's a good book about business management, not just pilot porn like AOPA and Plane&Pilot.

New student starts are down everywhere. I know of more than a couple flight schools that have closed their doors.

I don't believe they have bridge programs there anymore, not in the past 5 years since ACA/IndyAir. I would recommend going to a college of your choice and doing an intership with companies you're interested in, regardless of wheter or not you decide to fly.
 
j41driver said:
I remember one really long month at ACA with a 300hr wonder who did nothing but bitch about how he got screwed by having to fly the J41. He felt he deserved to fly the CRJ since he had all of that Riddle "experience". And of course...he couldn't fly the J41 worth a sh*t. Tool.
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Pretty sure I knew who that was... he was notorious at ACA! :laugh:

And yes, we Junkstream drivers were tops (esp. the 32!)
 
My favorite subject when it comes to riddle guys is CRM. Either way, they f' it up. If they prattle on and display their talent for knowing everything, the captain does one of two things; he either tunes them out because he can't stand listening to their bullsh!t, "Hey, look over there, that storm has reached the dissipating stage as evidenced by the by the downdraft and precip intensity at the ground weakening." Net CRM result? Completely shot. OR, the captain, after days of listening to the riddle 'tard prattle on about stupid stuff screams at them and they tune out, "New altimeter setting is two-niner-niner-niner (up from 29.98), pressure is rising, winds should be more pronounced from our right." (to which the captain screams "SHUT THE F' UP!".) Net CRM result? Completely shot.

So, the moral of the story? CRM with a riddle guy is a lot like a good case of the squirts, a painfully straining experience.
 
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pipejockey said:
And where are they going to find all these 1000 hour plus pilots? They don't exist! They may be able to find some for a while but by next year, we will be back to 500 hours or less. Because as we all know, in this country, management won't pay higher salaries to attract labor. That process is only used to attract management types.
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What ever happened to working to build experience to work for the airlines? Just because you have a commercial license doesn't mean it's a ticket to the airlines. I flight instructed for over 3 years when I was going through college. By the time I graduated college I had 2300 total and 275 multi. I had more time than nearly all the captains that were upgrading at the time when I got hired at the regional airlines.

There are ways to build time...you just have to put in the effort. It's called working for something.
 
Data said:
My favorite subject when it comes to riddle guys is CRM. Either way, they f' it up. If they prattle on and display their talent for knowing everything, the captain does one of two things; he either tunes them out because he can't stand listening to their bullsh!t, "Hey, look over there, that storm has reached the dissipating stage as evidenced by the by the downdraft and precip intensity at the ground weakening." Net CRM result? Completely shot. OR, the captain, after days of listening to the riddle 'tard prattle on about stupid stuff screams at them and they tune out, "New altimeter setting is two-niner-niner-niner (up from 29.98), pressure is rising, winds should be more pronounced from our right." (to which the captain screams "SHUT THE F' UP!".) Net CRM result? Completely shot.

So, the moral of the story? CRM with a riddle guy is a lot like a good case of the squirts, a painfully straining experience.
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Oh, and by the way, of course it's not me, it's always them! :rolleyes:
 
Let's do the approach briefing and as an added bonus we will conclude with a taxi into the gate briefing. (pretend like we are flying the riddle diddle 747)
 
Wasn’t a law passed that said you need 1500TT or 800TT from some approved program that they haven’t made yet?
 

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