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Oh boy, that's the rumour. The smoke and mirrors guy and his book cooking sidekick have been summoned by HIG... watch out. Just what FLOPS needs to rebuild their image in the industry and become a viable/profitable company. Anyone remember Ricci's famous quote?- "I'll close the doors before I let a union on the property". One bad decision after another...
 
flaimbait topic, but since the seed has been planted...

Oh boy, that's the rumour. The smoke and mirrors guy and his book cooking sidekick have been summoned by HIG... watch out. Just what FLOPS needs to rebuild their image in the industry and become a viable/profitable company. Anyone remember Ricci's famous quote?- "I'll close the doors before I let a union on the property". One bad decision after another...

If that rumour were true (which I am betting it is NOT in the slightest), and he was coming back in the same vein as when Flops INITIALLY took off (pre-rta), then the union and everyone else would be well served to ask him to very quickly put everything in writing so we could all move on happily. If he WERE to actually come back, it would be under the guise of saving his "baby" (as it is about to be thrown out with the bathwater), thus negating the "need for a union." We have, however, fallen for this ploy once, and as happy as I would be to see him back, that would quickly pass if his promises of renewed riches were only in lieu of a union contract. He always (pre-rta) wanted to keep us one step ahead of NJA in pay, and as enticing as his likely temporary assignment would initially be, he could be easily ousted (or leave willingly) as before. There will ALWAYS be someone higher in charge that will ALWAYS reach a state of greed at some point. Without a contract, that can change in a moment's notice, so any "look at what the union & successor mgts have done to my company," though true in many respects, will be met with great suspicion, I hope.
 
I think the liklihood of this happening is something less than zero. But even if it were remotely true, I don't think they'd come back until negotiations are done. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't expect ANY upper management change prior to contract ratification (although we can hope...).
 
The possibility of different levels of skill, integrity, etc among management-- who can come and go from day to day--makes it imperative for the pilots to have a legal, written contract to protect their career. They count on y'all to fly pax safely and handle aircraft worth millions properly. It is only right that they guarantee you professional compensation in line with your skill and level of responsibility.

Those who refuse to meet the standard should be given the boot.
 
If Uncle Ken would just come back home, we could all go back to being one happy family. I slept well last night with the thought of it, but then I woke up and remembered the beating I've been receiving for the last several years. Ricci was the best CEO in the history of Flight Options. Nobody has had "vision" in THIS PART of Ohio since he's been gone. Thanks for starting the rumour though, I enjoyed it.
 
It was a nice fantasy, dreaming of any CEO other than our current one, or should I say COO. I didn't know Ricci very well, but what I do know is that he was a visionary with drive which is something our current management team lacks. Although difficult as it seems now, but at one time he had a vision of making Flops just as big or bigger than NJ. Just having the goal is half the battle. Our COO won't even entertain the thought of us getting bigger. He would rather see us shrink from atrophy.

But I don't see it happening, just like the rumor of Boisture. But what do I know, he could be signing a contract as I speak. Oh, did I say he gets a contract too Mr. B-19. Just sit down, we don't need to hear it.
 
It was a nice fantasy, dreaming of any CEO other than our current one, or should I say COO. I didn't know Ricci very well, but what I do know is that he was a visionary with drive which is something our current management team lacks. Although difficult as it seems now, but at one time he had a vision of making Flops just as big or bigger than NJ. Just having the goal is half the battle. Our COO won't even entertain the thought of us getting bigger. He would rather see us shrink from atrophy.

But I don't see it happening, just like the rumor of Boisture. But what do I know, he could be signing a contract as I speak. Oh, did I say he gets a contract too Mr. B-19. Just sit down, we don't need to hear it.


I slept well knowing that snake oil salesman (ricci) wasnt here. its tough to figure which would be better: shtfinger or mr big tooth
 
I slept well knowing that snake oil salesman (ricci) wasnt here. its tough to figure which would be better: shtfinger or mr big tooth

Anyone who was around before the whole rta fiasco, knows there is no comparison. I'll take Ricci wrapped up in a neat little pilot contract, over the condescension and disrespect shown by Mikey ANY. DAY. Kind of like how the 2nd term of Bush Jr makes you miss Billy Clinton. At least then you were living well and had hope for the future. (disclaimer--NOT a liberal here by any stretch, and definitely not an Obama or McCain supporter for that matter... just a realist who has lost pay, has the worst med benefits in history and in an environment now hostile to pilots).
 
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Anyone who was around before the whole rta fiasco, knows there is no comparison. I'll take Ricci wrapped up in a neat little pilot contract, over the condescension and disrespect shown by Mikey ANY. DAY. Kind of like how the 2nd term of Bush Jr makes you miss Billy Clinton. At least then you were living well and had hope for the future. (disclaimer--NOT a liberal here by any stretch, and definitely not an Obama or McCain supporter for that matter... just a realist who has lost pay, has the worst med benefits in history and in an environment now hostile to pilots).

Kinda agree, but we forget where R***holt, Timmy twins and anyother bad, yet promoted, guy came from. They were products of Ricci. So on one hand I'd love to see Mikie and Sanjay go, but the alternative, Ricci and Rossi.

So which set of morons do you want?
 
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Kinda agree, but we forget where Reinholt, Timmy twins and anyother bad, yet promoted, guy came from. They were products of Ricci. So on one hand I'd love to see Mikie and Sanjay go, but the alternative, Ricci and Rossi.

So which set of morons do you want?

I still say Ricci & Rossi, minus R***hold who is only there because he convinces mgt he is a gruff old grandpa, when in fact he is an evil, satanic individual who will ultimately cause the place to shut down.
D*mn though, maybe he's a split personality/double agent...he sure looks and sounds like he could be the Ole Gardiner, come to think of it!:nuts:
 
Ricci is still at Flops..Hes the one that started the culture of the secret squirrels club. And we still have it today. Ricci rewarded snitches and Brown nosers. Thats how most of the leftover mgt got there to begin with. Sh$tfinger and Babbo have just embraced the culture. Riccis still roaming the halls of CGF everyday. Just look at your Chief Pilot. He spent his time under Riccis desk making him smile every morning.
 
Ricci is still at Flops..Hes the one that started the culture of the secret squirrels club. And we still have it today. Ricci rewarded snitches and Brown nosers. Thats how most of the leftover mgt got there to begin with. Sh$tfinger and Babbo have just embraced the culture. Riccis still roaming the halls of CGF everyday. Just look at your Chief Pilot. He spent his time under Riccis desk making him smile every morning.


could not have been said any better. Good job
 
You're right its true, shanes. According to this rumour though HIG would bring him back in a more "help us make this thing look good so we can sell it and get it the hell out of our portfolio" fashion. After all, he is a master of deception and con.
 
I hope everyone remembers that under Ricci we were going broke fast!!!! Even if it did look pretty. Then again I would like to get a second crack at that SFO position. If I ever roll onto the ramp and see all the Flops planes with their beacons on I'll know the rumor is true!

HS
 
If the doors closed under Ricci with a smile or the Close under M, disgruntled. They are still closing on the current stage. I would rather have a smile and say I made some good friends, and had a great time.
 
Lord knows much of what Ricci did in the past doesn't deserve to be defended. That said, some of what follows will read like I'm defending him. Just my opinion, take it or leave it.

It is certainly true that when Ricci and Rossi were summarily waltzed out the door, we were losing BIG $$$. The original business model failed at the point where share sales slowed significantly, compelling the company to make money on the operational side or at least not lose the vast dollar amounts we were hemorraging every month. This was a problem for all fractionals, not just FlOps. However, it was exacerbated here by our utilization of maintenance intensive, "previously enjoyed" aircraft as the core of the business model. The combining of the RTA and FlOps fleets was not handled well. Much of the schenanigans that went on with parts swapping, etc was not only unethical, but probably illegal.

But there was some genious in the original business model. By discounting fractional shares in the manner FlOps did, it opened up private jet access to a completely new tier of clients that were very reluctant to pay the high cost of admission being charged by NJA, Flex, et al. I think one would agree that once people of means get a taste of private jet access, it is addictive like crack. And the FlOps business model gave a lot more people a taste, if you will. So in that regard I see the original FlOps business model as being very good for the industry as a whole.

The other thing Ricci figured out was that he was going to sell "service", and that his pilots were the front line marketing people. Keeping the pilots happy was and (as MS knows but won't accept) is still important from a business standpoint. One need look no further than the NJA contract ratification and their subsequent business gains for confirmation of this philosophy.

Had Ricci been able to navigate the business through the tough times I believe he would have been successful at keeping the union out. He would have found a way to maintain his philosophy of keeping the pilots happy, therefore no union would be needed (again, HIS philosophy). But those days are gone as we're getting closer every day to our first contract. (I believe this is good thing)

The next CEO (and, there WILL be a next CEO) will have it much easier. The pilot labor issues will be resolved for a time and he will only have to manage the results of the bargaining agreement. In a perfect world, the cost of pilot labor will be an easy number for him to budget (although, we know that until they figure out how to properly schedule and follow the requirements of the contract they will spend a lot of needless $$ in OT and greivance payouts). This will leave him in a position with more time to find new and creative ways to expand the business, thereby increseasing the revenue stream. But frankly I don't think the person I just described is either MS or Ricci.
 
Pro really made his point well. Over the years, companies started by pilots treated the pilots really well but failed miserably on the business side-- can anyone remember KIWI. Visa Versa, it is hard for the business people to understand the crews and all their whines to a guy working 70 hours a week, 50 weeks a year trying to make a business work.
I think FO failed because the world of fractionals puts so much strain on aircraft and crews, used aircraft do not work. I harp on here all the time about the importance of a good plan and model being more critical than the crews or other issues. Many think then I am anti pilot. I have just found if you do not have a workable business plan that can be successful on all fronts, you are dead in the water union -no union, good employees, mediocre ones.
 
flightOptions failed?

I wasn't aware that flightOptions had failed. I thought they are still flying! I also am not convinced that the doors were going to shut under Ricci. Think about who told you that. Did Ricci tell you that? Absolutely not! Did Raytheon tell you that? Oh yes they did. How do you know who to trust? Think about it! I don't know how well my bottle of snake oil works because I haven't opened it yet. But I was sold, on all of it.
 
Lost market share, but failed?

Nice post ducky. Only the powers that be know the real statistics on money lost and or gained. Here is an interesting thought.
be-400
Purchase price: $406,250 x 16=$6500000
Monthly Mgmt: $6,820 x 16=$109,120
Occ. Hourly Fee: $1,554 x 120 (avg aircraft month)=$186480
Fuel Variable/Hr: $552
Fed Tax/Hr: $158

Total Cost/Hr: $3900

pilot salaries
8 year captain 6125/month
2 year copilot 2916/month
total pilot salaries= 9041/month

The pilot's salaries compared to the monthly management fee's and hourly generated fee's alone are a drop in the bucket. Granted a lot of that is eaten up in the mx and operational side as well, but come on that is a ton of cash. We know they have the money to pay us, but they want to see the company fail first. What a great way to reward the employee's that built this company just to see incompetent, greedy, selfish, dishonest crooks turn this place into a circus act. I believe flight options management has failed, not flight options. We still do more flying than flex, citation shares, or any other fractionals besides netjets. The worst part is this place had potential. We had a lot of talented and dedicated professionals and we have done nothing but waste a lot of good time and finance one bad management decision after another. I was hoping HIG would see the real reasons holding us back (ms,sanjay,tyler,etc.) and bring in a herb kelleher type ceo and a Ken Combs type chief pilot, but they haven't and now I see that this place is doomed. Dust off those resumes'
 
... I believe flight options management has failed, not flight options. ....

Good post, FR8Dog! I totally agree. In fact, perhaps readers have noticed that when referring to Flight Options management I use the term "the FLOPS" and when talking about the underpaid/overworked flight crews, I call them "Options pilots". My word choice is deliberate because the distinction is very real. The upper managers have been failing, but the pilots have options--starting with insisting on a fair contract that compensates them like the professionals they are, and rewards them for their significant contribution to the company. Hang in there! I believe there's light at the end of the tunnel. NJW

Those consistently failing to do their job properly should be given the boot.
 
Beechjet Mod

He needs his first big customer for his Beechjet mod program. If you did not know, he is currently modifying a Beechjet with Pro-line 21 , winglets and Williams engines. It is supposed to so be shown at NBAA this year. For those who will say the Beechjet mods are BS, I know the serial # of the aircraft they are modifying.

Not looking for flames, but it would make sense.

The performance #'s are supposed to be superior to the Phenom 300, and we all know he has always leaned towards used aircraft.

Should make a nice airplane, but I would not like giving up T/R's.
 
400A is correct about Ricci's BJ mod business. If one believes the theory that H.I.G.'s involvement with PhlOps (sic) is Embraer's back door into the U.S., combine it with the Phenom order, then it doesn't make sense that FlOps would be a pipeline for his modded BJ.
 
Has FLOPS made any announcements yet about Ricci coming back? I hear he'll be back on the property sometime next month.
 
Apparently, this rumour has come to fruition. Ricci is now the executive vice chairman at FLOPS. I can't be the only one hearing this....
 

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