Return of the SIC-logging question, with a twist.

[Kingairrick]

I'm doing it with not much more than 400TT. I've been to SimuFlite, have the documentation, and fly 135 legs from the right seat. If I am the Pilot Flying its logged as PIC, if I'm not, then SIC. I usually fly all 91 legs as well. Just be sure you can prove you "know" the aircraft (i.e. systems, airspeeds, limitations, etc).

How are you getting around the 1200 min tt for IFR 135 to act as PIC? Do you have a 8410 as PIC? If you don't then that is definately not legal.

 

[avbug]

Snakum,

Log the Part 91 legs when you fly them, if you're checked out in the airplane and the company has authorized you PIC privileges.

Don't log PIC under 135 when you're not a designated PIC, but you may certainly do so under Part 91 without much to worry about. I'd question anybody that questions the propriety of doing so. You're fully justified to log that time.

 

[mike1mc]

How are you getting around the 1200 min tt for IFR 135 to act as PIC? Do you have a 8410 as PIC? If you don't then that is definately not legal.

There is PIC "Captain" time and also "Sole Manipulator of the Controls" PIC time. This goes back to the flight instructor and student both logging PIC flight time. This wouldn't work in an aircraft that required a type rating if I had no type, but I am qualified and current in the aircraft (King Air). If am I incorrect, then please inform me otherwise (not looking to be flamebait). This is what I have been told by other captains.

 

[Kingairrick]

FAR 61.51:

(e) Logging pilot-in-command flight time. (1) A recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log pilot-in- command time only for that flight time during which that person—

(i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated;

(ii) Is the sole occupant of the aircraft; or

(iii) Except for a recreational pilot, is acting as pilot in command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted.

(2) An airline transport pilot may log as pilot-in-command time all of the flight time while acting as pilot-in-command of an operation requiring an airline transport pilot certificate.

(3) An authorized instructor may log as pilot-in-command time all flight time while acting as an authorized instructor.

from FAR 135.243

(c) Except as provided in paragraph (a) of this section, no certificate holder may use a person, nor may any person serve, as pilot in command of an aircraft under IFR unless that person—

(1) Holds at least a commercial pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that aircraft; and

(2) Has had at least 1,200 hours of flight time as a pilot, including 500 hours of cross country flight time, 100 hours of night flight time, and 75 hours of actual or simulated instrument time at least 50 hours of which were in actual flight; and

(3) For an airplane, holds an instrument rating or an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane category rating; or

(4) For a helicopter, holds a helicopter instrument rating, or an airline transport pilot certificate with a category and class rating for that aircraft, not limited to VFR.

I hate it that you guys made me quote the FARs. I swear I'll hire you anyway.