Retirement Numbers

[FlyChicaga]

There was a similar post on the "General" section, but I wanted to make it a bit more serious in tone. If you happen to know some factual numbers of retirements at your particular company by 2010 or 2015, could you post them? I figure this could be a really informative thread for a lot of people. I don't know if you could find out this information, or easily infer it from your seniority lists.

I know so many people claim certain [massive] number of retirements in the next few years, but I'm just curious what some actual numbers might be at the various majors. Who knows if some majors here today will even be here in 5 or 10 years. Anyways, thanks for any info.

 

[FDJ2]

Projected retirements at DAL as pilots reach 60. The small number of projected retirements in the next few years is due to the large number of early retirements in 2004.

2005 47

2006 89

2007 129

2008 153

2009 164

2010 179

2011 210

2012 227

2013 251

2014 301

2015 352

 

[KC-10 Driver]

Don't know the numbers at my company, but I don't think it is a big factor here.

I understand that SWA has some pretty big retirement numbers coming up. Any SWA guys want to make an input...?

 

[TexaSWA]

I count 84 scheduled retirements in the SWAPA log book.

 

[cforst513]

There was a similar post on the "General" section, but I wanted to make it a bit more serious in tone.

i posted the "similar post" over in general. i asked it in a mature and serious manner, mainly because i am not an airline pilot (yet...) and i was curious what the mandatory retirements looked like in the majors in the next 10 years or so. when i visited DCA earlier this week, the admissions guy said 30,000 retirees in 10 years. that sounded like an astronomical number, much higher than what the reality is. but not having any real experience in the airlines, i was unable to confirm this fact. that's why i posted what i did in the general forum. however, i was immediately railroaded by a guy who took it upon himself to attack me personally, for some reason. however, there were other responses that seemed to basically tell me my admissions guy was pulling my leg. but thanks for asking it in this particular forum. i find it interesting and also helpful. i'm not a shark waiting in the water; i don't even have a ppl yet. i was just wondering what the projected effect of the retirement law is on the majors. cheers, and safe flying!

 

[TexaSWA]

the admissions guy said 30,000 retirees in 10 years.

He means 30000 people will quit in the next ten years. I doubt 100 will actually "retire".

 

[DAL737FO]

These are the normal age 60 retirements for Delta straight off the DALPA site:

2005 47
2006 89
2007 129
2008 153
2009 168
2010 184
2011 218
2012 234
2013 264
2014 315
2015 372
2016 482
2017 561
2018 525
2019 525
2020 456
2021 400
2022 299
2023 281
2024 265
2025 286
2026 231
2027 148
2028 64

 

[BigMotorToter]

This is a good post. I sent the guy who runs airlinepilotpay.com the idea several months ago that he should incorporate retirement numbers on his site for each airline. He said the data would be hard to accumulate.

Maybe if someone from each airline could send him their official numbers, he could put them on.

Here is AA.

2005-219
2006-313
2007-351
2008-457
2009-459
2010-397
2011-340
2012-329
2013-405
2014-494
2015-584
2016-643
2017-691
2018-739
2019-735
2020-750
2021-724
2022-623
2023-509
2024-486
2025-417

 

[AMRCostUnit]

AA has about 3000 retirements in the next 10 years. I'll get the yearly numbers later on. After this next furlough of 45 the bottom guy will be 10100 with some 2800 on the street.


Unit

 

[stb]

Hate to bring this up but...

the repeal of the age 60 rule is gaining more support on Capitol Hill without ALPA support.

ALPA national was for the Age 60 but lately with retierment benefits, medical etc. getting big cuts, I dont think it will take much for ALPA to change their opinion.

If ALPA had its support to keep the ruling (2004) and the vote was within 10 vote of getting repealed, could ALPA get the support to change the 10 votes to repeal the Age 60 rule if they change their opinion on the Age 60 rule?

So for those pilots and future pilots that are getting the calculator out to figure the upgrade or when hiring will start and all furloughs will be called blah.. blah ...blah... you might have to add 3 more years to your total.

Hopefully this wont hijack the thread to an Age 60 debate, I personally want to retire by age 55.

 

[BigMotorToter]

Thats another good point.

 

[Ty Webb]

AirTran will have approx. 400 retirements in the next 20 years, or about 40% of the 1020 currently on the property.I have 22 years left, but I hope to hang up my flight case by 55, too.

 

[FlyChicaga]

Good point about the age 60 rule and retirements. We were actually having a large discussion about this last night. An interesting fact that I learned was that the Pension Insurance Board (what it called?) would up your protection from about $23,000 a year to $46,000 a year in the 5-years between age 60 and 65. This is due to them considering 65 "retirement" age.

While it would delay the inevitable retirements, it won't stop them. It will just delay everyone's "career expectations" or "plans" by 5 more years. Plus, give some 5 more years of retirement investment in their 401k or pension. Remember, most pensions return based on the average of your last 5 years of pay. If you can extend to age 65 (and a pension remains in tact... ha, right, I know) you can possibly increase your rate of return.

All the extension would mean for me is 42 years of this sh*t ahead of me!

 

[FlyChicaga]

Totals so far:

Delta: 761 retirements by 2010, 2102 by 2015.

American: 2196 retirements by 2010, 4348 by 2015.

AirTran: 400 in next 20 years.

SWA: 84 retirements until ?

 

[Sy-bill]

All the extension would mean for me is 42 years of this sh*t ahead of me!

You are 23 years old and you call this career sh*t already? Don't spend your life in something you don't enjoy. Do yourself a favor and find an enjoyable career. Life is way too short.

 

[Los1]

At FedEx it is an average of 150 a year for the next 15 years...unless congress changes the rules and then everything shifts...

los1

 

[FlyChicaga]

You are 23 years old and you call this career sh*t already? Don't spend your life in something you don't enjoy. Do yourself a favor and find an enjoyable career. Life is way too short.

Relax there buddy, it was a joke. My seniority number isn't up for grabs yet.

 

[FlyingSig]

Expanding on DAL...

...guess some of you guys are too old to have your "pilot personal page" expand out longer ... so to tack onto the DAL list (oh, and my 2028 figure shows 141)

2029 84

2030 67

2031 49

2032 28

2033 9

2034 5

 

[SWAdude]

Relax there buddy, it was a joke. My seniority number isn't up for grabs yet.

If your joking on this thing let us know with a or a or a .

Either wise we might be .

Party on Wayne.

 

[scotts]

One thing to keep in mind is the number of medical retirements. If the retirement age is increased, expect an increase in that percentage. I've heard that medical retirements can total as much as 20-30 percent of the total number of retirements.

Anyone with hard numbers care to elaborate?