Retirement age- would you know when to hang it up?

[SSDD]

I gave you an honest answer. Please notice that I still have 5 yrs till I turn 60, and I haven't made my decision yet.

So where do you draw the line? At some point everyone in front of you will be gone and you'll have to make that decision yourself. Will you be ready to step away at 50, 55, 60, 62.5? Or will you say, way back then some greedy bastards robbed me of five years, so I have to stay?

Again, the answer is that regardless of what you tell yourself right now, you probably won't know until you get there. Maybe you'll still love the job, maybe not. Maybe you'll be financially set, maybe not. Maybe(and I hope not) a medical condition will come up, and the whole question will be moot.

 

[TMMT]

No they wont be able to determine their own fitness. Just look at the 135/91K/91 world.

Once the "retired" pilot is "pushed" from the flight deck, they just head on over to the 135 world. And guess what? They do fly til they die, because it's happening where I work.

Its two fold, one the economy keeps many flying well past the point most people want to retire.

Second is medical science, today has the ability to sustain you longer.

Mostly gone are the days of slow but noticeable declining health starting around age 55 to 60 and ending 5, 10 or 15 years later with death.

Today, those who get regular physicals and go to the doctor at the first sign of health related issues, tend to live longer and a more sustained life. Right up till the point their body just gives out, rapidly and completely.

25 years from now the age will be 85 to 90... 25 more years and those alive will all be discussing the merits of working at age 90 to 100.

Who knows what medical science will hold, perhaps the day they can stimulate brain cells to completely regenerate. Applied to huge leaps in artificial organs and bionics... a human will be able to live as long as they want to.

And this argument will be a bunch of Space Freighter pilots arguing over those flying well in to their 200's... keeping the younger one out of jobs.

 

[TMMT]

The honest answer is: I don't know. I used to say I'd be retired by 50, 55 tops. Well I'll be 56 this year and still enjoying the hell out of it.

I'ts all about balance. I've never hated the job like some guys seem to. I can spend time with the kids and grandkids, ride my bike, and sail my boat.

Will I still feel this way in 5 yrs? Eight yrs? 10? I don't know. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I've never understood that either, perhaps its a 121 thing... but having only flown 135/91 I can't say.

Closest I've ever come to a 121 job was turning down a job offer from American in 1996 to go fly a Challenger on the west coast.

 

[pilotyip]

I agree. No captains over 60. Ever. No cessna drivers over 60 either, they kill people too much.

Right and no one under 60 ever kills anyone in an airplane

 

[waveflyer]

Yip, either you purposely repeat that logical fallacy, or you don't know you are committing it.

Again, you love flying- as do I, will you know when you are no longer safe to fly? Or will you a few close calls before you accept it?

 

[Dan Roman]

Yip, either you purposely repeat that logical fallacy, or you don't know you are committing it.

Again, you love flying- as do I, will you know when you are no longer safe to fly? Or will you a few close calls before you accept it?

Well wave you said your 27 on here. Simple fact is, and no offense intended, but Yip is much more qualified to make a judgement about flying skills as you age. He's been there, you haven't!

 

[waveflyer]

27??

Your grammar's as good as a pilot- are you saying my age is 27?

Good one-

 

[Leroy Smith]

A man's got to know his limitations.

Some will, some wont.
Old, or sick or tired or frazzled or skills just not up to the task at hand.
Sometimes the line is very fine, and everyone will choose wrong sometimes. No age limit, regulation or test will ever be a proper replacement for self awareness and common-sense, but they are imperfect necessities for those who lack either....

 

[pilotyip]

Yip, either you purposely repeat that logical fallacy, or you don't know you are committing it.

Again, you love flying- as do I, will you know when you are no longer safe to fly? Or will you a few close calls before you accept it?

You mean like the close calls I had in my 20's, improper aileron roll resulting in a split "S" and losing 3,500' when I started at 5,000', improper aborted take-off by the PPC resulting in the airplane turning into a ball of fire when the wing broke, getting lost in the North Atlantic when my Navigator lost it, the windshere at Malta where I was looking up at the runway on the cliff above me (in 1970 we had not yet discovered the wonders o0f windshere, or when I stepped out the cockpit to use the head and returned to the cockpit to find my F/O in a 45 degree bank going through 1,000' at 3,000'/min with two engines in the bag. Those kind of close calls. Maybe because I experienced these in my 20's I will stay away from them in my 60's and 70's

Well wave you said your 27 on here. Simple fact is, and no offense intended, but Yip is much more qualified to make a judgement about flying skills as you age. He's been there, you haven't!

Thanks Dan, you notice how a lib always makes it personal?

 

[flyboyike]

Thanks Dan, you notice how a lib always makes it personal?

Well, I'm not a lib, but the gummers sticking around has affected me personally. I personally lost income and career advancement. Now, do I care if you, yip, personally, live, breathe, fly or die? No, not one bit. But this hosejob has affected me very personally, thus I take it personally.

 

[flyboyike]

So where do you draw the line? At some point everyone in front of you will be gone and you'll have to make that decision yourself. Will you be ready to step away at 50, 55, 60, 62.5? Or will you say, way back then some greedy bastards robbed me of five years, so I have to stay?

Well, some greedy bastards did rob me (in fact, they're robbing me still), but I will not (not might not) take it out on those behind me. If I end up living in a studio, so be it. At least I'll sleep at night.

 

[Bringupthebird]

What I'm hearing is the problem is not the age of the pilot, but the vast conspiracy of those charged with evaluating them. Why not deal with that problem?

Wave will not answer this (well, knowing how much he likes to argue dead-end arguements, he likely will).

 

[flyboyike]

What I'm hearing is the problem is not the age of the pilot, but the vast conspiracy of those charged with evaluating them. Why not deal with that problem?

Could be both.

 

[waveflyer]

What I'm hearing is the problem is not the age of the pilot, but the vast conspiracy of those charged with evaluating them. Why not deal with that problem?

Wave will not answer this (well, knowing how much he likes to argue dead-end arguements, he likely will).

Hey man, I called you and yip out for not answering, I'll answer any question you have-

And yes, I've already answered this particular one^^^-

It's answered by a half century of data that proves pilots are more than capable of being captain until they are 60-
I do not want increased scrutiny by an enormous federal beauracracy probing into the still emerging science of cognitive abilities just so you won't have to retire in the same amount of time as all your predecessors did.

How is that not an answer.

 

[pilotyip]

I do not want increased scrutiny by an enormous federal beauracracy probing into the still emerging science of cognitive abilities just so you won't have to retire in the same amount of time as all your predecessors did.

How is that not an answer.

What about retirement before 1958

It's answered by a half century of data that proves pilots are more than capable of being captain until they are 60-

You are funny, are you a politician? Talk about a sound bite They have only been collecting data on over 60 121 Capt's, for less than five years, and guess what they have found, there is almost no data.

 

[waveflyer]

Yep, and old chief pilots and a corrupt AME system keeps there from being any data-
But the young guys are having to watch and correct te old guys on long days- and that's a role and compensation reversal that's inherently unfair.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Wave...

Hike up your skirt and find another thread to post on......

Your hard on because Delta wouldn't hire you shines because of all of your posts I ignore!

I was PMd about your coward statement towards me....sad and pathetic is what comes to mind when I reread it....too bad I could care less what your 20 Year FO a$$ has to say

 

[waveflyer]

Oh being DALPA, I'm sure it's not just me you don't care about billy.

But this is a confusing thread to express that on- Par for the course I guess.

But, it still stands- I don't use the ignore function - I use my god given ability to control myself and actually ignore if I need. Cowards w/ no self control need artificial methods.

JMO of course

 

[Bringupthebird]

Hey man, I called you and yip out for not answering, I'll answer any question you have-

And yes, I've already answered this particular one^^^-

It's answered by a half century of data that proves pilots are more than capable of being captain until they are 60-
I do not want increased scrutiny by an enormous federal beauracracy probing into the still emerging science of cognitive abilities just so you won't have to retire in the same amount of time as all your predecessors did.

How is that not an answer.

It's ironically funny that you sound like an old timer who clings to the way things have always been done. Of course that's because it suits your alterior motive.

Let's embrace the advances in the past 54 years and live in the 21st century which includes the elimination of government-imposed retirement ages. Negotiate one into your contract (or design a retirement that penalizes sticking around). Nothnig's stopping you from doing just that.