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[pilotyip]

121 rules

Actually we should go to 121 rules, then if a crew does not fly they only need 8 hours rest and then they are good for 16 hours. Plus you can do drop and add, break duty to extend the day. 121 gives all kinds of flexibility for scheduling that 135 and 91K do not give.

 

[gunfyter]

Its OK with me if we fly 121 rules. Scheduled 135 has reduced rest rules too.

Give me a flight schedule so I know when I start and what my trips will be.... where I will be overnighting etc..

I am more than happy to fly 121... You still can't call me when I am in rest and Reserve is still not rest.

 

[bluepost]

It is all about common sense. In a 24 hour day you need 10 hours you can count on and PLAN AHEAD on to ensure that you are rested. How well do you sleep when you know the phone can ring at anytime and you have to answer it?

This was the intention of the rules when they were written but the scumbag bottom feeders abused it so long it became common practice...now the whole one level of safety motto...and now as before, just because it is legal doesn't mean it is safe...

The airlines had to hire more crews to cover the "new" reserve requirements and 135 will too. If you have a 2 person crew for your aircraft it will not be available 24 hours a day for 135.

 

[pilotyip]

Still flew exhausted

The crew rest that gunguy says will become industry standard will not prevent crews from operating outside of a schedule that allows them to properly rest. The rules have nothing to do with being rested. I flew scheduled 121 cargo, I knew my schedule a month in advance. Nightly run BLD-PIT-DAY-MEM-IAH in an L-188. I still flew exhausted. Start 0200 at DAY ended IAH 0900, out of IAH at 1900, into BLD 0600, out of BLD 2300. Then into IAH 0900 again, 6.5 hours of flight time, standup over day, not legal rest, but a duty break, out of IAH 1900. Drop add all night into BLD 0600, out of BLD 2300 repeat again into DAY 0200, release to go home and assume a sleep at night schedule for four days before going back to being up all night. I was always tried with a messed up sleep pattern, but I was 100% legal as approved by the FAR’s and my ALPA contract.

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Its OK with me if we fly 121 rules. Scheduled 135 has reduced rest rules too.

Give me a flight schedule so I know when I start and what my trips will be.... where I will be overnighting etc..

I am more than happy to fly 121... You still can't call me when I am in rest and Reserve is still not rest.

I ain't flying 135 no more, but this whole thread brings up one question. Are you saying that if the company calls the pilot to tell him of a flight that he will be needed for on the next day, would that mean they have interupted his rest period? Also, from what I read here, no one on reserve could ever fly a full 14 hour duty day. Even if they just went on reserve, it would have eaten into the 14 hours. Is that correct? How will this affect our 91 ops?

Ace

 

[gunfyter]

Well it just goes to show... just because its legal does not make it safe.

Whats your point ... that we need even more stringent regulation?

Nothing prevents a company from using the available scientiffic data and common sense to devise a crew schedule that prevents fatigued crews.

My point is that 135 operators are scheduling pilots in violation of the EXISTING REGULATION. Now if you say the FAR is not clear enough... I say that these operators have plenty of opportunity to have it made clear.

Just write the Chief Counsel... But the reality is they do not want to know the truth as long as they can get away with doing things as they are done now.

Another reality is this... Even if I am not tired I do not want to expose myself to Flight Violation by ignoring the Regulation because it is inconvenient or expensive for management.

 

[gunfyter]

I ain't flying 135 no more, but this whole thread brings up one question. Are you saying that if the company calls the pilot to tell him of a flight that he will be needed for on the next day, would that mean they have interupted his rest period? Also, from what I read here, no one on reserve could ever fly a full 14 hour duty day. Even if they just went on reserve, it would have eaten into the 14 hours. Is that correct? How will this affect our 91 ops?

Ace

Yes reserve eats up available duty time.

Its not what I say... its what the FAA Chief Counsel says in a brief filed in Federal Court and the 1st Circuit Court that denied Aviators petition.

It does not affect 91 operations. If anything if it will drive up the cost of charter maybe that means the decision to maintain in-house 91 flight department will be more cost effective.