Republics E-170s replacing Midwests flying! WTF

[rightseatjocky]

Prop,
I think you might be right with the merger, but I never saw one 717 on a route from Cos to Mci.

 

[Propsync]

Yeah, but Skyway 'took' BDL, RDU, ATW and MSN after 9-11. Skywest 'took' all of Skyway's flying and some Midwest.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

One thing you are all forgetting. Republic saved Midwest pilots from not having an airline to work for. Keeping some at work is better than none at all. If RAH had not thrown money their way there would be no Midwest pilots versus a portion and that portion will be recalled as soon as the 170's get put on their cert. It is a sore subject, yes, but this works out in the best case scenario for both airlines. Business. If we go by your arguments, then Midwest doors would be closed for good. You knuckleheads are in such a hurry to call others scabs (and not even use the term correctly) and YOU are part of the problem just as anyone is. If you are flying a regional plane, YOU, are part of the problem.

 

[rightseatjocky]

Roger, I am sure that you might be right in some of aspect of midwest.
I am sure that you started out either in the military or a regional also and it's just a stepping stone. Honestly, If I could fly for anyone, I want to fly for Alaska. They mind their own business on the west, don't bother anyone and I would love to fly for them.
I hate the fact of Delta talking trash about Comair and Comair hating everyone and their mother.
I do know the difference between a struck route and what a scab is if you were referencing that.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Republic did the same at USAIR. We were furloughing and parking airplanes, and they were replacing our flying. Republic was upgrading F/O's at a record pace, while USAIR pilots with 1989 hire dates were getting furloughed. This all again under the umbrella of ALPA leadership. Republic replacement flying for Midwest is nothing new and ALPA can not do a damm thing. Pilots hitting the street while other pilots fill their jobs. MMM?

Midwest pilots, welcome to the club of another pilot group getting shafted.


M

REALLY? Is this the marty that claims that he doesn't work for US Air?
I mean you wrote it right here:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=848465#post848465

Or the Marty that works for UAL?
You also worte that right here:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1224345#post1224345

Shouldn't you be our looking for your next PFT job?

MCDU = 1 airline strike away from his next job!

This ****************************** bag has proven he can't be taken seriously! Its obviously more flaim bait. Whats the matter marty, slow night at the mall?

 

[ex j-41]

Ya picketing....ya that works....

How about breaking some friggin legs?
Lets get back to basics.

 

[superfreight208]

One thing you are all forgetting. Republic saved Midwest pilots from not having an airline to work for. Keeping some at work is better than none at all. If RAH had not thrown money their way there would be no Midwest pilots versus a portion and that portion will be recalled as soon as the 170's get put on their cert. It is a sore subject, yes, but this works out in the best case scenario for both airlines. Business. If we go by your arguments, then Midwest doors would be closed for good. You knuckleheads are in such a hurry to call others scabs (and not even use the term correctly) and YOU are part of the problem just as anyone is. If you are flying a regional plane, YOU, are part of the problem.

Sounds like you work at Republic

 

[CX880]

Uh,...Yeah. Just like the teamsters cared when it was Trans States pilots' jobs being handed to Gojet when that scab company was formed.

F-ck the Teamsters.

Think before you use the S word, especially when you have no idea what your talking about. No one is flying struck work, we're not putting mainline pilots on the street and we certainly aren't taking TSA jobs since they can't fly CRj7S in the first place because they DIDN'T WANT TO.

 

[ex j-41]

Think before you use the S word, especially when you have no idea what your talking about. No one is flying struck work, we're not putting mainline pilots on the street and we certainly aren't taking TSA jobs since they can't fly CRj7S in the first place because they DIDN'T WANT TO.

Well you need a history lesson.
Go Jets was formed because TSA could not have 70 seaters on property because of the agreement with American.
TSA Management wanted to staff the other airline with TSA pilots but only if they would accept a pay rate of Mesa -2%. Don't think that was going to happen. So TSA management decided to staff the airline with pilots that were willing to resign their seniority at TSA and fly at Go Jets.
New hires came off the street.
TSA parked the J-41's and furloughed.

The problem people have with Go Jets is that the company should have used TSA Pilots because it was an alter ego airline. Same management, training dept etc... As far as i am concerned it was the same company.

So if there were people on furlough at TSA and other people taking jobs at Go Jets, i would consider them scabs. The company was too cheap to pay the pilots a fair and reasonable rate.

 

[deadstick]

Yeah, but Skyway 'took' BDL, RDU, ATW and MSN after 9-11. Skywest 'took' all of Skyway's flying and some Midwest.

I thought they moved the MidEx planes to other routes. Did they park them?

One thing you are all forgetting. Republic saved Midwest pilots from not having an airline to work for. Keeping some at work is better than none at all. If RAH had not thrown money their way there would be no Midwest pilots versus a portion and that portion will be recalled as soon as the 170's get put on their cert. It is a sore subject, yes, but this works out in the best case scenario for both airlines. Business. If we go by your arguments, then Midwest doors would be closed for good. You knuckleheads are in such a hurry to call others scabs (and not even use the term correctly) and YOU are part of the problem just as anyone is. If you are flying a regional plane, YOU, are part of the problem.

Not necessarily. RAH enabled TPG/TH to do this deal and not look for another option. Midwest would have survived until the DAL/NWA deal called for its liquidation. This just got somebody else (RAH and NOT TPG) to pony-up the cash. Don't fool yourself. RAH is not the savior of Mikwaukee "hometown" airline. There is no plan to have any operation that vaguely resembles the Midwest brand after that deal closes. This is just a continuaton of the NWA (and now DAL) "sock-block" to keep competition out of the midwest. If they could pull the it off, they would just store Boeing's 717s at all the MKE D-gates and only fly one to keep the ticket alive. The good people of Milwaukee should be getting use to TH's bs cons by now.

The more I look at this deal, I feel that the Midwest ticket will soon be the 4th in the RAH collection. The cash was publicized as a loan, but it is a deposit.

I think this is a better way of wording your last sentence: " If you are flying a regional plane on a non-regional route, YOU are part of the problem." Long live the 1900!

 

[GOULET!]

One thing you are all forgetting. Republic saved Midwest pilots from not having an airline to work for. Keeping some at work is better than none at all. If RAH had not thrown money their way there would be no Midwest pilots versus a portion and that portion will be recalled as soon as the 170's get put on their cert. It is a sore subject, yes, but this works out in the best case scenario for both airlines. Business. If we go by your arguments, then Midwest doors would be closed for good. You knuckleheads are in such a hurry to call others scabs (and not even use the term correctly) and YOU are part of the problem just as anyone is. If you are flying a regional plane, YOU, are part of the problem.

Ha. Dream on. The only thing Republic saved was Uncle Tim's wet dream of keeping the worst managed airline alive for another 6 months. Unfortunately the pilots there will continue to bend over for him. Just like they will cave into the wages cuts that are coming. All this picketing does nothing. If the pilot group wants management to hear them they would walk off the job.

 

[Propsync]

I thought they moved the MidEx planes to other routes. Did they park them?

Yeah, they parked a few 9's. Mostly -10s, I believe. BDL, if I can remember, flipped for one winter. The 328 was lousy for that city.

 

[deadstick]

Yeah, they parked a few 9's. Mostly -10s, I believe. BDL, if I can remember, flipped for one winter. The 328 was lousy for that city.

I think the 328 kept doing BDL (with the occasional westbound fuel stop) until the CRJ showed up. I never really understood that one -- that's a long way for the slowest jet.

 

[Propsync]

I think the 328 kept doing BDL (with the occasional westbound fuel stop) until the CRJ showed up. I never really understood that one -- that's a long way for the slowest jet.

For some reason I think Midwest did it for one winter (2002?). Maybe they were just talking about it. The speed wasn't so much the issue. I guess it was a good market due to the insurance business. Lots of last-minute business travel. It was a better fit than a half-empty 9 at the time. My longest trip was 3.5 hours, once. Around two big lines and a nasty headwind on the other side. Started with 7800 pounds, ended with 8-9 hundred.

 

[erikgigem]

OMG, I say it's like struck work because it's the same concept..
You have a $hit company, mgmt, pilots, flying for a company that is putting pilots on the street. My best friend flies for Midwest and he is on the street because of this.
I don't care what you call it.. It's still a crappy situation of people being put on the street. Rah has no business doing this to Usair and Midwest. Rah is just a pile of scumbags... Don't like what I have to say.. too damn bad!!!

Your Midwest Airline pilot friend is not on the street because of Republic.. He is on the street because

* Failed Midwest Airline leadership to remain competitive in a very tough airline industry

* Poor Midwest passenger load factor

* A current US Bad Economy..

Republic flying and its loan is a last ditch to keep this ailing airline alive for a few more months..

You flightinfo pilot cyber warriors get all angry over the wrong people. Failed leadership, mismanagement, lack of vision, a poor business plan are the culprits. Hold your CEOs and management accountable while they bank the millions into their bank accounts!

 

[rogerwilcoout]

Your Midwest Airline pilot friend is not on the street because of Republic.. He is on the street because

* Failed Midwest Airline leadership to remain competitive in a very tough airline industry

* Poor Midwest passenger load factor

* A current US Bad Economy..

Republic flying and its loan is a last ditch to keep this ailing airline alive for a few more months..

You flightinfo pilot cyber warriors get all angry over the wrong people. Failed leadership, mismanagement, lack of vision, a poor business plan are the culprits. Hold your CEOs and management accountable while they bank the millions into their bank accounts!

Erik,

agreed. But there is no talking to these idiots. All they want is to be able to point their stubby little fingers at someone else.

 

[nerjdriver]

One thing you are all forgetting. Republic saved Midwest pilots from not having an airline to work for. Keeping some at work is better than none at all. If RAH had not thrown money their way there would be no Midwest pilots versus a portion and that portion will be recalled as soon as the 170's get put on their cert. It is a sore subject, yes, but this works out in the best case scenario for both airlines. Business. If we go by your arguments, then Midwest doors would be closed for good. You knuckleheads are in such a hurry to call others scabs (and not even use the term correctly) and YOU are part of the problem just as anyone is. If you are flying a regional plane, YOU, are part of the problem.

On behalf of myself, and the Midwest pilots.....Thank you so much for your hard work.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

On behalf of myself, and the Midwest pilots.....Thank you so much for your hard work.

See Erik? Lol Told ya !

 

[SizzleChest]

And how quickly did they cash the check from RAH? they only had a couple of days $ to operate. That company is way too top heavy with MGT folks... how many people in the inflight dept. do you need for like 120 FAs?????

 

[erikgigem]

See Erik? Lol Told ya !

Your right. Last time I checked, pilots never made management decisions for their company.

Cyber-flight info warriors seem to think that pilots are the directly responsible for and the final authority of the management actions of the company they work for!!

 

[Ratherbsurfing]

On behalf of myself, and the Midwest pilots.....Thank you so much for your hard work.

Once again, how is this any different than you flying routes that could be done by Continental pilots?

 

[AvroGuy]

In CMH on Sunday, 05 Oct. and the Republic jumpseater was supprised to see a 170 in midwest colors already. Wish I had a pic..

 

[B727FA]

Midwest pilots, welcome to the club of another pilot group getting shafted.

Just like Skywest when they took over the flying from SkyWay...and that was an outright shutdown of a wholly-owned.

 

[B727FA]

Knowing my state of economics and knowing my educational background and knowing what I can go back into. YES!!! I would give my job up for my "Brother".

Then do it. Turn in your letter of resignation to your CP. Come back here and tell us your last day so we can get the water canons loaded.

 

[B727FA]

WRONG!!!
My original statement is.. IT'S LIKE FLYING STRUCK ROUTES.. IT'S NOT THE SAME THING!!!

Your syntax is off. You can't say it's "like" something when the very definition of what you're saying it's "like" is incongruous.

Struck work requires willful withholding of services by an organized group...either for self-help or wildcat.

Locked out work isn't technically "struck" work b/c the withholding of service is "forced" by management.

To SCAB is to cross a line that was set up by LABOR. To work "replacement" work is to work a void created by MGT.

If the YX crews had struck, then the RAH crews would be working struck work--and scabbing. There is no work action by YX.

It's not "like" anything.

I know I don't have to spell it out like this for you and please don't be insulted by it; but I'm trying to explain to you why people are resistant to your using a simile incorrectly. "Like" isn't "Is."