Republic shifts 8 Frontier planes to Delta

[BILL LUMBERG]

I'll be glad to "say again"

Did DALPA not allow for the outsourcing of CRJ-900's in 2006- out of bankruptcy- on the upswing- for a minuscule pay increase ??

Did they do that Bill? Or is that just my opinion?

I feel and hope that the next generation of DALPA pilots will do their legacy much prouder than the baby boomer DALPA pilots selfish a$$'s did.

"but the boat market in lauderdale tanked, and I had to wait 2 more years for my 777 upgrade- I DESERVED that payraise"- quote from an *********************************** on my jumpseat

NOISE.....NOISE......NOISE......

Wave, you have never worn the uniform so back to the SWA boards you go and take your hard-on over not getting hired at Delta with you. This doesn't concern you.

Now....back to important stuff.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

JohnDoe I'm afraid BillLumberg is right on this one. Reread your post.

"They allowed more 70 seaters to exist (255) in the joint contract than were on the property at both delta and nw at the time the joint contract was signed. Should have capped them to the number that existed right at that moment."

What you were deliberately saying was DAL/NW allowed more 70 seaters to exist in the joint contract right? You were saying the contract was changed! In other words you were either speaking out of you A$$ or you're a flamethrower. Have a nice day.

Astro

Thanks Astro,

That was my point.....

 

[JohnDoe]

JohnDoe I'm afraid BillLumberg is right on this one. Reread your post.

"They allowed more 70 seaters to exist (255) in the joint contract than were on the property at both delta and nw at the time the joint contract was signed. Should have capped them to the number that existed right at that moment."

What you were deliberately saying was DAL/NW allowed more 70 seaters to exist in the joint contract right? You were saying the contract was changed! In other words you were either speaking out of you A$$ or you're a flamethrower. Have a nice day.

Astro

No. That is not at all what I said. You need to learn to read as well. I did not say the contract was changed. I said the contract allowed more to exist than were "on property."

I said, very specifically, that they allowed more 70 seaters in the joint contract (via the 255 limit) then where on the property at both nw and delta at the time the contract was signed. It is right there in the post you quoted.

Get it? I said "on the property." As in: on the ramp, currently being used, flying around in the air, sitting in the maintenance hangar. I did not talk about contractual limits (other than the 255). Bill brought contractual limits that were in the individual contracts up.

Are you implying that we had 255 70 seat aircraft "on the property" on the day we signed the joint contract? How many 70 seaters were "on the property on the day the joint contract was signed? If the number is less than 255, then my statement stands. The joint does allow for more 70 seaters than were "on the property" at the time it was signed.

I then went on to say that they should have capped the number in the joint contract to the number that were ON PROPERTY (existed) at the time the contract was signed. IE: not the 255 contractual limit. We had the opportunity to regain that scope. We did not take it. Could have stopped the 70 seat growth right there.

So again, how many 70 seaters were on property on the day the joint contract was signed? It is a simple question.

"on property" is the key phrase. What on earth is so hard to understand about "on the property?" You keep confusing "on the property" with "contractual limits" that existed at the time.

Seems to me, if there were 255 "on the property" at the time the joint contract was signed, they would not be adding the 8 at republic. Or the 5 (6, 7?) that they just added to skywest, or the any other number they have been adding since the joint.

"Have a nice day."

 

[ivauir]

NOISE.....NOISE......NOISE......

Wave, you have never worn the uniform so back to the SWA boards you go and take your hard-on over not getting hired at Delta with you. This doesn't concern you.

Now....back to important stuff.

Sure. Right after you take FDJ, Johnsrod, Flopgut ...

 

[waveflyer]

NOISE.....NOISE......NOISE......

Wave, you have never worn the uniform so back to the SWA boards you go and take your hard-on over not getting hired at Delta with you. This doesn't concern you.

Now....back to important stuff.

Im sorry- did or did not DALPA sign off on outsourcing 90 seaters in 2006 while definitely NOT under the gun of bk?

Just answer the question.

And you don't feel like outsourcing an 85,000# jet to regionals is important? That's telling

You can never get over mistakes if you don't admit them

keep thinking I didn't pass an interview... It's really dumb

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

90 seaters?

What world you living in son? Quit spreading Inet BS and fix your facts.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The last LOA was LOA 51 in CH11.

What you may be referring to is the jump from 127 to 153 allowed 76 seat jets. The issue came down to the interpretation of the language in the contract. Instead of going to arbitration and risk losing, we agreed that the company could take delivery of these jets as long as no one was furloughed, and that, from that point forward agreed to our interpretation of said language.

It was by definition not a relaxation of scope. Nothing in section one of our PWA changed, and going forward they cannot take delivery of one more 76 seat jet until DAL mainline has a hull count over 767 jets. Currently we are at 728. Suffice to say, they will not be getting more 76 seat jets any time soon under the PWA language.

 

[waveflyer]

You guys like to apologize-
It's a CRJ-900. I dont care how many seats you put in it. They arrived well after DAL exited bankruptcy and coincided with a small raise to the pilots.
Those are facts - I have no means to check your version- but what I do know is that if the DALPA pilots cared at all about outsourcing- they could have fought and got rid of it.
Their priority has always been to look out for those at the top.... Hence beginning the downward slide for all.
The idea that there will be no more "76 seaters" maybe unless X or Y ,( as if that airplane exists? Its a 90 seater...) in the foreseeable future is of little solace to those who were furloughed and got to watch those left vote away their job to skywest...
Zero integrity

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Hey Wave....

opinion noise opinion noise opinion noise opinion noise....Repeat

Can you stop with the "World according to Wave" and become educated. You preach as if you were on the inside when all this went down, and sadly enough you weren't...but please stop injecting an opinion because you didn't get hired here.

BTW Your sorry A$$ gained from any scope that was released so you had a job......a job which got you the money to go buy a type rating and become a Herb turd.......you're welcome!

 

[texman]

Look! BILL IS GETTING HIS PANTIES IN A WAD. Bill don't get so upset. I have realized all your hate is because of your own insecurities.

 

[gearup5]

I think you all missed the point...I did not realize Frontier had that much extra lift. Are they replacing those airplanes or are they downsizing the airline?

 

[StaySeated]

I think you all missed the point...I did not realize Frontier had that much extra lift. Are they replacing those airplanes or are they downsizing the airline?

These are not "Frontier" aircraft, they are currently on the Republic Airways certificate.

The 170's were originally flying under a Frontier CPA but they became orphans when that was rejected in BK. They eventually began flying under a Midwest CPA, and then again as Frontier "branded" operations.

Bedford realized quickly that you can't fly a 170 against an Airtran 737, so he has been actively shopping around additional EMB capacity.

Thankfully DAL agreed to more 170's.

Now the 170's leave the branded operation, and the orphaned 145's get parked on a 1 to 1 basis in the second half of 2011 as the 190's arrive.

Republic Holdings uses the name "Frontier" whenever they are referring to any flying that is not "fee-for-departure".

 

[B727FA]

The 8 170's were actually with S5 on the DL side. The 170's at F9 "the first time" were RW birds in all coach config and they were culled from the RW-US fleet. The S5 birds became "redundant" when the 175's came on line. They did, as you say, go to YX--but they never flew for F9 before they went from YX-->F9 after the purchase.

Small point of correction: there is no Republic "Airways" certificate. I think you meant to say the Republic "Airlines" cert.

 

[Jetjockey]

If I owned an aircraft paint facility, I could have made a career on just painting Republic owned aircraft. Maybe BB should consider peel off decals on plain white paint.

 

[dougdrvr]

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Small point of correction: there is no Republic "Airways" certificate. I think you meant to say the Republic "Airlines" cert.

It's never easy to keep BB's little nesting dolls straight.