Republic orders 40 C-Series Aircraft

[UnstableAviator]

RAH upgrade mins, for at least the last 5 years, has been 2500. Still low time, but better than no mins a la TSA.

Most of our new hires before the bottom scraping began were from other airlines (Indy Air, TSA, Mesa, Airnet, Piedmont, etc) or higher time CFI's. The debate about CFI and airline worthiness has been going on for years, but thats another thread altogether.

Also, not many (if any) pilots are currently happy here at RAH. We're fully aware of our ancient CBA's tremendous shortfalls and RAH' management abuse of employees. Unfortunaly, its going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.

 

[The Drizzle]

So you buying a job in an airplane and in an operation where you were no more required than the bag of mail in the back of the airplane is somehow better? And that's "quality experience"?

That's like comparing sh*t to feces, son.

Don't worry, pipjockey is on his way to an early stress induced death. We'll all be better off without him. He should have stayed a "sic" on that mail truck, a lot less stress.

 

[CX880]

Unfortunaly, its going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.

You mean for non RAH pilots? Because worse before getting any better would mean the company is doing well while not providing their fair share with the employees. We can only hope that your CEO takes you guys over the cliff just like JO did with his herd.

 

[pipejockey]

So you buying a job in an airplane and in an operation where you were no more required than the bag of mail in the back of the airplane is somehow better? And that's "quality experience"?

That's like comparing sh*t to feces, son.

You really are dumber than a post aren't you? It wasn't a job, it was experience in turbine equipment at a part 135 airline. It's about as close to the kind of environment you will be operating in at the regionals. Not to mention they didn't just let some punk show up and get in the right seat and take every other leg. Everyone had to go through indoc, systems, sim, and an SIC Ck by a company Ck. Airmen, just like the regionals. And it was a lot cheaper than going out and renting or splitting a rental of a 172 at 140 bucks an hour with someone these days. And no jobs were taken!! Unlike all the Midwest pilots jobs that were taken, and soon to be Frontier pilots jobs. That is unless the Republic pilots grow a set and demand JB payrates plus 2% with COLA increases!


And you are going to tell me that sitting in the right seat of a 172 while flying around in VMC with a student better prepares you for a job flying a 50 seat to 90 seat aircraft full of lives? You're a wack job. After all, it's probably the only way you can get any.

 

[pipejockey]

Also, not many (if any) pilots are currently happy here at RAH. We're fully aware of our ancient CBA's tremendous shortfalls and RAH' management abuse of employees. Unfortunaly, its going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.

Hasn't your contract been amendable for 3 years now? So why is it going to get worse before better? It's high time for a new contract and the rates have already been paved for you. By a low cost carrier at that! JB 190 rates plus 2% and COLA. Anything less and it's time to STFD! Bedford isn't going to let his golden goose cease operations, he will give!

 

[ePilot22]

You really are dumber than a post aren't you? It wasn't a job, it was experience in turbine equipment at a part 135 airline. It's about as close to the kind of environment you will be operating in at the regionals. Not to mention they didn't just let some punk show up and get in the right seat and take every other leg. Everyone had to go through indoc, systems, sim, and an SIC Ck by a company Ck. Airmen, just like the regionals. And it was a lot cheaper than going out and renting or splitting a rental of a 172 at 140 bucks an hour with someone these days. And no jobs were taken!! Unlike all the Midwest pilots jobs that were taken, and soon to be Frontier pilots jobs. That is unless the Republic pilots grow a set and demand JB payrates plus 2% with COLA increases!


And you are going to tell me that sitting in the right seat of a 172 while flying around in VMC with a student better prepares you for a job flying a 50 seat to 90 seat aircraft full of lives? You're a wack job. After all, it's probably the only way you can get any.

Educate yourself here -->Free Education

Enjoy.




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[ePilot22]

Here's a highlight because we all know you're not going to read any of the thread:

You really have no understanding of the regulation, have you?

Your firm is raping the industry, no matter how you slice it. Not only are you unwilling to pay a crewmember, but expect the crewmember to find his or her own lodging, to boot. To call the practice dispicable would be a kindness.

You're lowering the bar for the industry, no matter how you might try to dress this act of defecating on your fellow pilot.

Your firm isn't the first to sell a seat, and won't be the last in a long line of pathetic, shameless ethical failures. That you're willing to flaunt it here says nothing good about you, or the firm in question.

and...

Didn't your high-priced education teach you the difference between college and a job?

Forget the labels. Most blather on about "PFT" and don't have a clue what they're talking about. Set the label aside.

Your college encouraged you to do your training at the school, lied to you, intimidated you, blah, blah, blah. What has this to do with the price of tea in china?

Your employer is making a profit, and requires employees who will function for a wage in order to make that profit. The employer has hired one pilot, then convinced another to pay for the opportunity to work there. This is not "PFT" (pay for training), this is pay-for-work. While encouraging or requiring pilots to pay for their training does meet with some distain, requiring pilots to pay for their jobs, work for free, and even house themselves at the same time is far worse.

You've rabbited on about a legal need for the SIC...show it.

You've rabbited on about mentoring. Is this the case? You've prostituted out another pilot, used and abused him or her, then kicked them to the curb when the money runs out...and feel proud that you've "mentored" them. In fact, the pilot has been willingly raped, being too young, too inexperienced, and too stupid to know otherwise, and you're proud to have helped...and the company things the victim should be grateful for the opportunity. Quite a racket there.

No...not "PFT." That's really a term that the ignorant get excited about and toss around. This is worse, and it lowers the bar across the board. It lowers the bar for employers, who can get a ready supply of inexperienced pilots to come pay to work for them, and it lowers the bar for pilots who find that employers don't pay a fair wage when they can get cheap, even paying, labor.

If you're in a single pilot aircraft (lacking the authority or requirement for a second pilot) and charging others to ride along, and don't have the legal basis for those others to even log the time, let alone be a required crewmember, you're running a scam program and perpetuating a falsehood. It's the big lie, and you're charging others for the privilege of living the big lie. How wonderful that you're proud to be a part of the big lie, isn't it?

Seems you're not only an enemy to the pilot body, but to the industry at large, as well as a moral criminal and an ethical rapist. Your pride in your work speaks volumes about your character and your place in this world. By all means. Keep talking. You're digging yourself deeper and deeper. If you keep up, eventually you'll bury yourself.

Read the whole thread, bet you won't -->$5




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[pipejockey]

Ameriflight did indeed have the authority to operate with a second in command. Their FAA approved training program says so. Since the SIC was NOT required nobody paid for a friggin job! If there are operators who are having people come in as REQUIRED SIC's and to pay for it, that indeed is despicable and the owner ought to be pulled off the street and beaten to within an inch of his life. But when a part 135 cargo flight in a Metro is going to go up with an empty seat, why not create a training program that trains an SIC to be a LEGAL but NOT REQUIRED crew member in order to get some valuable experience before putting the lives of 50 to 90 people at risk in their RJ.

But simple minds will keep calling it PFT. So we will continue to have the glut of new FO's who have absolutely nothing other than a few hundred hours of 172 time and maybe 100 hours of light twin time in VMC with no weather or night experience. The first time they touch turbine equipment is with 50 to 90 people in the back, in what amounts to a single pilot operation for the first couple hundred hours on the job. Some of these new hires actually create less safety because the CA's are having to watch them like a hawk. And whats worse, when hiring is strong, some of these CA's can barely handle things because they are only 1 year on the job!

You know you people are a riot. You all would be lining up like good little sheep to get jobs with Comair, ACA, ExpressJet back in the 90's when they ALL had true PFT!! Actually paying for being a REQUIRED crew member transporting real people in the back. So flame on punks!!

 

[ePilot22]

Ameriflight did indeed have the authority to operate with a second in command. Their FAA approved training program says so. Since the SIC was NOT required nobody paid for a friggin job! If there are operators who are having people come in as REQUIRED SIC's and to pay for it, that indeed is despicable and the owner ought to be pulled off the street and beaten to within an inch of his life. But when a part 135 cargo flight in a Metro is going to go up with an empty seat, why not create a training program that trains an SIC to be a LEGAL but NOT REQUIRED crew member in order to get some valuable experience before putting the lives of 50 to 90 people at risk in their RJ.

But simple minds will keep calling it PFT. So we will continue to have the glut of new FO's who have absolutely nothing other than a few hundred hours of 172 time and maybe 100 hours of light twin time in VMC with no weather or night experience. The first time they touch turbine equipment is with 50 to 90 people in the back, in what amounts to a single pilot operation for the first couple hundred hours on the job. Some of these new hires actually create less safety because the CA's are having to watch them like a hawk. And whats worse, when hiring is strong, some of these CA's can barely handle things because they are only 1 year on the job!

You know you people are a riot. You all would be lining up like good little sheep to get jobs with Comair, ACA, ExpressJet back in the 90's when they ALL had true PFT!! Actually paying for being a REQUIRED crew member transporting real people in the back. So flame on punks!!

You didn't read the thread. Bad pipejockey!

Airnet had an SIC program and didn't charge for it. In fact, Airnet PAID pilots acting as an SIC.




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[CX880]

Ameriflight did indeed have the authority to operate with a second in command. Their FAA approved training program says so. Since the SIC was NOT required nobody paid for a friggin job! If there are operators who are having people come in as REQUIRED SIC's and to pay for it, that indeed is despicable and the owner ought to be pulled off the street and beaten to within an inch of his life. But when a part 135 cargo flight in a Metro is going to go up with an empty seat, why not create a training program that trains an SIC to be a LEGAL but NOT REQUIRED crew member in order to get some valuable experience before putting the lives of 50 to 90 people at risk in their RJ.

I think as long as they're not required SICs then it should be fine, even if they did pay for it. They're just filling in on an seat that otherwise would have been empty, and if they wanted to burn money it's a free country. However if you're a required crew member and pay for the job like at Gulfstream then that is not right. But I suspect these schemes will become very popular now that there is a surplus of pilots.