Republic gone in 2011?

[Dolce]

Vixin,
I'm not worried because I put my faith in SWAPAs leadership and trip pull junkies to protect my seat position and relative seniority! I mean our M&A guys backgrounds and experience havent been overstated by SWAPA and they are the smartest men in the room...are they not? If everything works out, I'll be chunking gear for AAI captain whose DOH is 5 yrs junior to mine! If that isn't such a sweet deal I don't know what else could possibly be! By the way, don't tell me to talk to my reps because I do it repeatedly and I come back feeling as if I just talked to an amateur drunk off of self-perceived importance.

D

 

[Dolce]

RJ,
Something about the FAPA president tied to the board in regard to discussions relating to creditors? He couldn't get free from meeting in Washington(?) and get the MEC together for face-to-face, so a teleconference took place at the last minute. I believe everyone was played by certain entities on both sides. How this relates to the here and now is always relevant...just my opinion though?

D

 

[arjayeffo]

Again, by your own admission and according to the rep you quoted in your first post, SWAPA didn't have the time, power, or intention to offer anything but a staple. So how can your rep (or anyone for that matter) contend that we weren't willing to negotiate - either during the five hours or afterward? Unless by 'failure to negotiate', what you really mean is 'failure to acquiesce'?
You may be right that there are things that I have been misled on, but that kind of blatant double talk reeks of damage control to me.

On a completely separate note, a sincere thank you for your service. I can only dream of seeing the world like you have.

 

[StaySeated]

That's because one of FAPA's MEC members was an ex-SWA employee who was terminated in the 80's, he would not be allowed to return. So he pushed his agenda so that he could stay Captain till 65 at Frontier. I got that from a guy who knows a guy.

My U2 brother speaks the truth. That is exactly how it went down. The sad part is FAPA could care less. Talk about selling out your own brothers.

You guys have me seriously concerned about your mental abilities. These comments are bordering on insane.

If I told you that fire is hot, and water is wet, you would still disagree.

Some of you make the group over at the "Peoples Temple" look like they lack commitment.

 

[Dolce]

RJ,
I gave how this abortion went down. Read the post slowly...SWAPAs constitution wouldn't allow for a SLI without a membership vote...hence staple was the only option with the time constraints because the deal had to be completed by midnight the day both unions finally met. If they did agree to an SLI without our approval, the membership would have their a$$es in court and won in a heartbeat. Hence, benefits and pay protection/big effing raises gone. Good luck at RAH because things may not go how you expect at RAH.

D

 

[shagadelic]

The bottom line: I am worth better than a staple. Yesterday, today and tomorrow. I, (with FAPA’s help) am fighting the only battle available to me at present to preserve the integrity of this industry. Even if my new company goes out of business tomorrow, I will still be worth more than a staple. No matter what happens now, or twenty years down the road, I am still worth more than a staple.

Arjayfo, I don't disagree with much of what you write. I am curious though, if our People department showed up over there and told everyone at Frontier that our we were running a new hire class every week for the next year, and we would start filling them with Frontier people...no questions asked, how many would jump? Honest question...would you take the deal and staple yourself, or hang on because you're worth more than starting over at another airline? You are not always wrong to accept a staple; it depends on the situation. I know the Lynx guys were ecstatic about the proposition.

You guys were facing at least a 20% furlough and the bottom of our list; I can definitely see why you would have reservations. Best of luck to you, and I do hope it works out for you guys.

 

[arjayeffo]

Dolce, They hardly ever do. I hate to say it, but my screen name has the potential to be applicable again. ;-)

As for whether or not I would make that jump now, I understand the point you're trying to make, but everything is too hypothetical to make that call. Would I consider it, yes. But that doesnt mean yes. I despise commuting, and moving is not an option for me, believe it or not, that would be a huge factor. I thought you guys would have opened a domicile here months ago.
Upgrade would factor in as well. Money is nice, but for me personally it is only a small component of total qol. I will say this, you've got us beat on job security for years to come. Until then, like all of us, i'll just keep rolling those dice. Ive got multiple babies who need a new pair of shoes.

 

[arjayeffo]

And shag, if you could convince your PD to actually make that offer, it might just be the most effective way to bring down F9 to date. Cant say for sure, but i think you might have a few takers.