Republic Gets US Airways 900's

[ex j-41]

Rumor in CLT is that Republic is going to be flying the CRJ 900's that PSA was negotiating on. Seem that Chautauqua/Republic will do it for less. Or US Air management is not willing to keep them inhouse.

Can anyone confirm the rumor?

 

[B190Captain]

For all I know it better not be. I tell ya DP is really showing his true colors by shafting us let alone mainline.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Rumor in CLT is that Republic is going to be flying the CRJ 900's that PSA was negotiating on. Seem that Chautauqua/Republic will do it for less. Or US Air management is not willing to keep them inhouse.

Can anyone confirm the rumor?

uhhh I havent heard anything

 

[Beantown]

Rumor in CLT is that Republic is going to be flying the CRJ 900's that PSA was negotiating on. Seem that Chautauqua/Republic will do it for less. Or US Air management is not willing to keep them inhouse.

Can anyone confirm the rumor?

When is Republic due to have the CRJ on the Cert? If this ends up true (and im not so sure) they will have won almost all the new flying in the last 2 yrs. ouch. For PSAs sake I hope this isnt true. You guy made the right stand and you deserve these airplanes. I sure hope we (mesa) and Republic don't get them. Good luck-Bean

 

[Weasil]

Perhaps that rumor was from someone who read this in a similar thread started right here on flightinfo at http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=85339

In the few short years I was at PSA I heard rumors everywhere from we were getting sold to Virgin American, we were sold to MESA (that one came up a lot) we were sold to United during bankruptcy, the training center was closing down and moving to CLT, PIT was reopening as a base last year (this was told to me as not a rumor but a fact!!). none of these ever came true. I dont know how these rumors get started but I never put any stock in any of them. You believe it when it happens, until then put up a bubble around yourself and pay no attention... at least that's my theory. The employees are the last ones to find these things out.

 

[trainer8]

Rumor in CLT is that Republic is going to be flying the CRJ 900's that PSA was negotiating on. Seem that Chautauqua/Republic will do it for less. Or US Air management is not willing to keep them inhouse.

Can anyone confirm the rumor?

Rumor only.

First, Republic (Chautauqua contract) has had pay rates in place for aircraft with 79-99 seats since 2003.

Second, RAH announced it will be taking delivery of E175 series aircraft in Jan 07 for RPA.

The E175 is certified to 86 seats, (actually 88 now), the max allowed for PWOs and Affiliate Express operators under the Transition Agreement between AAA and AWA, including the CRJ900.

T8

 

[PunchTheClown]

Not true guys, at least not at this point. Stop worrying about this. If they go then fine. I'd rather see them at some other airline then see them come here and have this pilot group sell out.

For those of you who are new here, the 20 airplanes dosent mean your overnight going to be a mid level or senior FO. Its going to take over 2 years to get all the airplanes on the property and that if they stay with the expected 1.5 per month (which never happens). Bottom line, a lot can happen over the next 2.5 years.

Dont allow this deal to be a make it or break it thing with your future at PSA. Upgrade while important is not the end all be all of advancing in your career. Plenty of people from PSA have left to majors and other "greener pastures" without so much as an hour of turbine PIC.

 

[PropPiedmont]

Here's a thought:

The CRJ 900 pre-bankruptcy orders have not been moved over to Republic. Instead US Airways is having Republic add an additional 20 to 30 E175s to replace the CRJ900s. These will be in addition to the previous order of 30. Keeps common type and training issues out of the way.

Now, US Airways still has to negotiate with Bombardier about those 20 firm orders. With their new found capital they are able to invest in Dash 8 aircraft. Bombardier allows US Airways to convert the 20 CRJ9 orders (and 17 options) to 20 Q400 orders and 30 Q300 orders.

Piedmont gets new aircraft and then starts the same process PSA went through about flying larger a/c for less money.

Just a thought.

 

[WSurf]

For PSAs sake I hope this isnt true. You guy made the right stand and you deserve these airplanes. I sure hope we (mesa) and Republic don't get them. Good luck-Bean

Bean,

I am sure you really feel that way!!! NoT!!!! You guys would jump all over these airplanes!!! More upgrades, more flying!!! 'Sell it too the airforce mayo-nnaise, sell it the airforce!!!'

You guys at Mesa need to make a stand, then we won't have these little battles over payrates!!!
Everytime a regional goes thru contract neg. they always seem to get Mesa's contract thrown at them by management!! See.. look fellows, Mesa does it for this and that!!

I just hope you guy make the right stand on your next contract!!!

 

[dollacrackho]

this industry is starting to come back. fu(k these 90 seaters at the regional level. i work at psa and dont even care if they come here any more. lets build the majors up again damnit. everyone at the regional level should demand to be paid a mainline rate for these 90 seaters instead of just getting a nice windbreaker and a quicker upgrade. we're beginning to get some leverage again as pilots, airlines are making money again, oil is stablizing. yet a lot of you morons are listening to people like doug parker spout off about we're making the market rate and we dont deserve to be paid more for more seats. well fu(k that antichrist and his 9 million dollars in stock options. SHOW ME THE MONEY DOUGay PARKER.

 

[BoilerUP]

Only on Flightinfo could one person's support for another's cause be turned around into an argument...

 

[Dorkpilot]

Thanks for the support Bean. Please let your reps know you feel that way. That is the only way to turn this profession around to the right direction!

DorkPilot

 

[Dorkpilot]

FWIW Supposedly Duane Woerth said he would not sign off a concessionary contract for any ALPO brothers hence CHQ would be the only company that could fly them for the low rate.

If they accepted it, CHQ would be the second operator of the 900 next to mesa and would set the "real" precedent for the 90 seat regional pay rate. Would the real airline pilots plz stand up!

 

[ALGFLYR]

The CRJ 900 pre-bankruptcy orders have not been moved over to Republic. Instead US Airways is having Republic add an additional 20 to 30 E175s to replace the CRJ900s. These will be in addition to the previous order of 30. Keeps common type and training issues out of the way.

Now, US Airways still has to negotiate with Bombardier about those 20 firm orders. With their new found capital they are able to invest in Dash 8 aircraft.

I have been thinking this same thing. If US Air flys the 900's at PSA, they have to finance those A/C. Letting them go to Republic gets them out of that and leaves capital for new Dashes. I don't think they can get another carrier to operate DHC-8's for them, so if they're gonna replace the old turbo-props, they're gonna have to foot the bill.

With the ability to also increase the 190's at ML, they seem to have a handle on the 90-100 seat aircraft in the system. One thing to also keep in mind, they are starting to push up againt the scope (if you can still call it that) language in the ML contract. 30 175's at Republic. Mesa operates 38 900's. Wherever these 20 900's go, that is 88 aircraft. There can only be 93 in the system. Who is gonna get the other 5??

 

[climb2slow]

do the 38 900's at Mesa apply to the 93 total since they were AWA? Just asking...or has there been a new letter since the merger?

 

[ALGFLYR]

do the 38 900's at Mesa apply to the 93 total since they were AWA? Just asking...or has there been a new letter since the merger?

Yes they do. The 93 limit was set in the transition agreement and specifically states the 93 limit is the combined total limit for both carriers or the single carrier once the integration is complete.

 

[StarChecker]

FWIW Supposedly Duane Woerth said he would not sign off a concessionary contract for any ALPO brothers hence CHQ would be the only company that could fly them for the low rate.

If they accepted it, CHQ would be the second operator of the 900 next to mesa and would set the "real" precedent for the 90 seat regional pay rate. Would the real airline pilots plz stand up!

The LAST thing we need is more airplanes. We do not have the infrastructure to support half the airplanes we have now...much less more.

Anyone waiting for phone calls to be returned from any department in IND can attest to this. Or having the same number of Schedulers on duty that we had 3 years ago when we were half the size... Or perhaps we could start flying to a few more continents with no training...

We do NOT want more airplanes..especially different types. The CRJ's we're getting are bad enough.

 

[AWACoff]

When AWAC had 86-100 seaters on property, our top rate was $135/hr at year 18. May I suggest that as a starting point for negotiations?

 

[WSurf]

When AWAC had 86-100 seaters on property, our top rate was $135/hr at year 18. May I suggest that as a starting point for negotiations?

Funny when a 16 year Captain at US Airways on the EMB-190 Tops out at 95.00!!! You better start at 95 and then work down!!!

 

[PropPiedmont]

Funny when a 16 year Captain at US Airways on the EMB-190 Tops out at 95.00!!! You better start at 95 and then work down!!!

But, D.P. (not double penetration) said in the August CLT Crew News session that at mainline they only have two pay scales. Widebody, which includes the 75, and narrowbody. D.P. must have grown a heart and decided to do away with the E190 pay scale and move it to the narrowbody scale. He said, "Doesn't matter how many people sit behind you, you should get paid the same." When will he make this announcement?

 

[ALGFLYR]

But, D.P. (not double penetration) said in the August CLT Crew News session that at mainline they only have two pay scales. Widebody, which includes the 75, and narrowbody. D.P. must have grown a heart and decided to do away with the E190 pay scale and move it to the narrowbody scale. He said, "Doesn't matter how many people sit behind you, you should get paid the same." When will he make this announcement?

Very good point!

 

[Quack]

Didn't D.P. make the comment at the last "Town Hall" B.S. about flying the 900 for 700 rates that "the days of flying larger aircraft for more money are over..." I don't care what anyone says about D.P. He might know a few more things than the rest of piss poor mngmt. USAIR used to have, but he's still in mgmnt. He is going to do everything possible to make this airline survive, and if that means cutting pay, giving more mainline flying to the contract carriers, then he is no different than anyone else...

 

[BeCareful!]

I have been thinking this same thing. If US Air flys the 900's at PSA, they have to finance those A/C. Letting them go to Republic gets them out of that and leaves capital for new Dashes.

That's not necessarily true. During BK#1 it was discovered that U Group made significant investment in Mesa's aircraft and others. It was a favorite negotiating ploy of the Wolf and Gangball regime to tell ALPA that jets at the contract carriers cost U nothing; it was their reasoning for not putting jets at the w/os. However, in the BK filings it clearly showed otherwise.

The only reason they placed jets at PSA was because the DO328 was in need of replacement and RJ's were the only logical thing to do at that point.

Personally, I believe they wanted most or all of the jets at the contract carriers for the purpose of unsettling and dividing labor groups. Guess what: Success!!!

 

[PropPiedmont]

Didn't D.P. make the comment at the last "Town Hall" B.S. about flying the 900 for 700 rates that "the days of flying larger aircraft for more money are over..." I don't care what anyone says about D.P. He might know a few more things than the rest of piss poor mngmt. USAIR used to have, but he's still in mgmnt. He is going to do everything possible to make this airline survive, and if that means cutting pay, giving more mainline flying to the contract carriers, then he is no different than anyone else...

Holy sh!t. Do you have a M.B.A.?????? You just figured out how every business manager is trained in this world. Minimize cost and maximize income.

 

[ex j-41]

Just from what i hear in the crewroom is that there will be a complete meltdown at PSA if we get screwed.

What we need is mainline and PDT to back us up. Can you imagine if PSA lost the deal because Doug P was too greedy to give the F/O's a step towards a livable wage? We need a program like CHAOS. Remember what labor day stands for!

 

[doug_or]

Remember what labor day stands for!

...?

A day off for people with real jobs?


Or is it something about white? Now we can't wear it. Or maybe we have to. ********************.

 

[G2T]

The only reason they placed jets at PSA was because the DO328 was in need of replacement and RJ's were the only logical thing to do at that point.

Not to start a wholly-owned war, but wasn't the reason PSA got jets because they underbid PDT and ALG?

 

[LearLove]

Not to start a wholly-owned war, but wasn't the reason PSA got jets because they underbid PDT and ALG?

not exactly but something along thoes lines.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

not exactly but something along thoes lines.

There was a substantial amount of backstabbing involved...

But then agian, I sure am proud of the PSA guys and gals for making a stand. Again... Well done!

 

[Dorkpilot]

Not to start a wholly-owned war, but wasn't the reason PSA got jets because they underbid PDT and ALG?

Kind of.

The pilot group wanted to make a stand w/PDT and said no to mgmt with a vote. The very senior MEC over rode the pilot group and voila, we sold out and the PSA MEC which has been replaced, stabbed PDT in the back.