Replacement for the 737? Endorsed by SWA

[johnsonrod]

I just read an editorial in the Wall Street Journal (yeah, not the best place to read about aviation news) that suggested that SWA and a few other airlines and aviation-parts manufacturers were pushing Boeing to design and build a replacement aircraft for the 737. We are talking about a newly-designed aircraft with more efficient engines, design, etc.

Anyone heard this rumor before? Evidently the fact that Airbus is bogged down with the super-expensive and complicated A380 and playing catch up with the A350 has created an opportunity for Boeing to exploit the sub-200 seat market. Airbus is too distracted and cash-poor to develop a new 100-200 seat aircraft. So, Boeing could end up revolutionizing the 100-200 seat market and leave Airbus in the cold as it staggers with too many distractions - at least that was what was suggested in the editorial...

Any thoughts? Anyone hear about SWA's discussions with Boeing? Makes sense if Boeing could design a more efficient aircraft that fits SWA's mission - although I bet it would have to include the original 737 overhead panel - thanks SWA!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Palomino]

beer?

 

[EngineOut]

I just read an editorial in the Wall Street Journal (yeah, not the best place to read about aviation news) that suggested that SWA and a few other airlines and aviation-parts manufacturers were pushing Boeing to design and build a replacement aircraft for the 737.

~SNIP~

Actually, the WSJ is one of the best mainstream media outlets reporting on aviation/airline business topics.

 

[TV9Driver]

Yeah, i've heard that too.. A new 737 using the 787 technology....

 

[FDJ2]

http://chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=22063

 

[The_Russian]

Mostly composite. Unlimited cycles. I heard it from a Beoing test pilot when I was flying out of MIA last month. Sometime near 2010. It is coming out to replace RJs and the 737 altogether.

 

[Donald]

You are correct. SWA has been talking with Boeing about this. The 737 can't go on forever. It will be a scaled down version of the composite 787 (narrow body). There will be a long range version and a short range version of this aircraft as well. SWA is not really keeping this a secret. They are actively pursuing this, just nothing concrete since the plane doesn't exist yet. Apparently Boeing has gotten very strong interest in this aircraft from many airlines not just SWA

 

[Tref]

Apparently Boeing has gotten very strong interest in this aircraft from many airlines not just SWA

Word is NWA is talking with Boeing about this new type as a DC9 replacement. They claim they don't want to use EMB-195s.

American has a boatload of MD-80s to replace one of these days as well, not to mention all of the 73s out there.

 

[Master Shake]

They claim they don't want to use EMB-195s.

Wonder why that is? Could it be due to the inability to stretch the 195 any furthur?

 

[On Your Six]

It's about time. The 737 certainly is not as "jazzy" as some of the other aircraft out there - plus the flight deck systems are so archaic compared to what you find in the newer Gulfstreams and Falcons. Obviously Southwest won't want to take advantage of that new technology and instead want something that won't require heads down in the cockpit. Should be interesting to watch.

 

[SWA/FO]

its called the 797. Two aisles & 199 pax. The return of the 10 minute turn.

 

[gt1900]

This rumor has been going around for months.. I heard that SWA, CAL, and AAI were envited to SEA to help boeing decide what airlines were looking for in a replacement for the 737.. That would make sense since I believe they are the 3 biggest opperators of small boeing jets in the U.S....

 

[michael707767]

Wonder why that is? Could it be due to the inability to stretch the 195 any furthur?

I think thats exactly it. Ideally, you want and airplane that will be the same fleet for everything from 100 seats up to about 180-190 The 195 is already at the upper limit for that type aircraft. To buy them would mean you have to have a differenty type for anything larger than about 110 seats. I think the same issue will prevent Delta from buying any 190/195s. They may buy a few to tide them over till the 737 replacement is available, but certainly not in large numbers.

 

[StopNTSing]

Hey Lowecur, I'm still looking for that order....

 

[The_Russian]

its called the 797. Two aisles & 199 pax. The return of the 10 minute turn.

You should be happy then!

 

[TheGuat]

Word is NWA is talking with Boeing about this new type as a DC9 replacement. They claim they don't want to use EMB-195s.

American has a boatload of MD-80s to replace one of these days as well, not to mention all of the 73s out there.

NWA will want to use the EMB pay scales though!

 

[Tref]

NWA will want to use the EMB pay scales though!

Yeah, they negotiated three different pay rates for a/c in this range: one generic 77-100 seats, one generic 101 to 110 seats and one specific to the EMB-195. (EMB-195 falls between the two generics.) They all suck really bad and are much lower than the already reduced DC-9 rates.

Welcome to the new B-scale. The only difference is that now you could be displaced onto the B-scale instead of only being hired onto it.

 

[tron4000]

Hey, as long as Boeing doesnt cave and alllow Mullet jogging Suit Airlines, i mean Southwest, to bolt in the current 737 overhead panel, display analog instruments on a full glass setup and disable autothrottles/VNAV, theyll have a great airplane!

 

[dhampton]

Hey, as long as Boeing doesnt cave and alllow Mullet jogging Suit Airlines, i mean Southwest, to bolt in the current 737 overhead panel, display analog instruments on a full glass setup and disable autothrottles/VNAV, theyll have a great airplane!

Man, you are funny! I mean it! You should do a comedy tape or something, we could all pass it around and listen to it in our El Caminos. Mullet jogging Suit Airlines... Can I use that? Gawd that is funny.

 

[Tref]

Man, you are funny! I mean it! You should do a comedy tape or something, we could all pass it around and listen to it in our El Caminos. Mullet jogging Suit Airlines... Can I use that? Gawd that is funny.

I thought it was kinda funny, but I think he was referring to your passengers. Maybe you protest a bit too much?

BTW, if it makes you feel better, I've always thought the Mullet was hugely under-appreciated, and I've always liked El Caminos more than Rancheros (but I gotta admit, they're both pretty cool.)

 

[Amish RakeFight]

its called the 797. Two aisles & 199 pax. The return of the 10 minute turn.

Okay, I gotta ask. If they do, which they may, name this recent endeavour the 797, what comes next? The digits between the 7's have been exhausted.

 

[Skyboy722]

Okay, I gotta ask. If they do, which they may, name this recent endeavour the 797, what comes next? The digits between the 7's have been exhausted.

Well of course it would be the 7107, duh!

 

[fastback]

Okay, I gotta ask. If they do, which they may, name this recent endeavour the 797, what comes next? The digits between the 7's have been exhausted.

In all seriousness, does anyone know how Boeing starting numbering their types?

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Well, 7 is a good a number to start with since it's a lucky number.

 

[pgcfii2002]

El Camino with a CB system in it........the perfect 737 replacement!!

 

[Mud Eagle]

Hopefully Boeing calls the next one in line the 808.

Yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaa Boooooooooyyyyyeeeeeeee

 

[scoreboard]

Hey, as long as Boeing doesnt cave and alllow Mullet jogging Suit Airlines, i mean Southwest, to bolt in the current 737 overhead panel, display analog instruments on a full glass setup and disable autothrottles/VNAV, theyll have a great airplane!

Easy now, were putting all that stuff back in by 2009. Great cost savings...

 

[CopilotDoug]

The Chinese already have the replacement of the DC-9 covered, but it looks a little bigger than the Barbie-Jets

http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/arj21/arj211.html