Removal of Pacific Jet posts? MODERATOR, response please.

[pa56pa]

OK... what's up with the removal of the Pacific Jet posts, specifically "Brothergump, Pacific Jet" post?

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Flightinfo.com is biased

OK... what's up with the removal of the Pacific Jet posts, specifically "Brothergump, Pacific Jet" post?

They did it again!!! Everyone on this board should know that it's edited for content. This is not a neutral site!!!!! Is it run by someone who works at PJ?? Perhaps we should start a boycot if the moderator doesn't explain.

Ace

 

[PseudoName]

I heard that the local FSDO has been reading the posts about PJ which is raising questions to the operation. Someone at PJ must have sent the Moderator a nasty letter from a lawyer demanding the removal of all posts.....they probably don't want Wyvern or ARG/US to lower their rating of PJ.

If anyone is interested, check out http://www.globaljetshares.com

.....it's PJ in a different costume.

 

[PseudoName]

They did it again!!! Everyone on this board should know that it's edited for content. This is not a neutral site!!!!! Is it run by someone who works at PJ?? Perhaps we should start a boycot if the moderator doesn't explain.

Ace

Here is a suggestion:

Someone should make a post on the General board.....let all flightinfo'ers know.

I would, but I don't have the finesse in posts like all you others....

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Here is a suggestion:

Someone should make a post on the General board.....let all flightinfo'ers know.

I would, but I don't have the finesse in posts like all you others....

Good idea!

Done!

Ace

 

[Yank McCobb]

Deal with it. There have been numerous threads deleted about other companies too. This is a PRIVATE FORUM. The owner of this site can run it any way he sees fit.

You don't like it? Then go somewhere else.

That's just how it is. No matter how much you rant, whine or cry is going to matter one little bit.

 

[pa56pa]

No need for sarcasm

Deal with it. There have been numerous threads deleted about other companies too. This is a PRIVATE FORUM. The owner of this site can run it any way he sees fit.

You don't like it? Then go somewhere else.

That's just how it is. No matter how much you rant, whine or cry is going to matter one little bit.

Question posed here did not mean to offend you, Yanky. We were looking for a simple response to the question, not your attitude. Who's whining?? I can guarantee you that those interested in this thread aren't... only the subjected company at hand. It's unfortunate even the moderators here are biased. If you don't think so, once again... explain. No need for sarcasm.

 

[Eagleflip]

Moderator Input

OK, how about this?

Flightinfo.com is not a place where you can spout off any unsubstantiated tripe about specific people and/or companies (info that would do them monetary or substantive business/personal harm or damage). That would set up the Flightinfo owner for slander or other charges, and that just isn't smart.

If Ace is so sure of this problem, why doesn't he/she just report them to the FAA via the hotline? That is how to handle a safety issue, not a simple posting on an anonymous website. How chicken is that avenue?

I banned Ace because he/she was posting this same message in numerous forums without forethought. And as Yank said, this is a private forum with no rights of freedom of speech. We actually are neutral in our thoughts and tolerate a lot--and often do--but we won't allow the website to be slammed with inapproprate comments.

Thanks for reading this response, even if you don't agree.

 

[pa56pa]

Thanks Eagle... good enough for me-- as touchy the situation may be, you at least explained it.

 

[b82rez]

That would set up the Flightinfo owner for slander or other charges, and that just isn't smart.

Actually, that would be libel if we're gonna get all home-lawyerly.

 

[HowlinMadMurdoc]

I banned Ace because he/she was posting this same message in numerous forums without forethought.

Being a pilot doesn't necessarily equate to being intelligent.

This concludes today's abject lesson*

HMM




(*great line from Die Hard 2)

 

[HMR]

Flightinfo.com is not a place where you can spout off any unsubstantiated tripe about specific people and/or companies (info that would do them monetary or substantive business/personal harm or damage). That would set up the Flightinfo owner for slander or other charges, and that just isn't smart.

Understood. Have threads on GIA, Comair, Clay Lacy, Pan Am, Great Lakes, Pinnacle, FLOPS, Net Jets, numerous other cargo, charter and flight training companies been removed? Harsh words were used and serious accusations were made. Were the Pac Jet threads that much worse? I'm not clear on what sets off the "unsubstantiated tripe" O-meter.

 

[Eagleflip]

Moderator Input

Libel...you are correct, sir!

This thread is not much worse than some of the others you mentioned...unfortunately, we can't or don't read every single post, or even thread, here. What made this one bad enough is:

a. I read the thread and it met the criteria to be deleted, (this reason was enough alone to be deleted), and

b. it was being posted in multiple forums in exactly the same format and tone.

If I had seen the other threads you mentioned and they met the criteria, I would have deleted them as well.

Interestingly, I've never met any of the other moderators in person, nor have I even spoken to them on the phone. We communicate via PMs and never really discussed trying to make a concerted stand against any topic. Generally, we agree on just about all actions concerning deletions/banishments, so I like to think that we are simply exercising good judgement on our choices.

Plus, that $24,000 a month in moderator pay doesn't hurt, ya know...

 

[flyifrvfr]

Libel...you are correct, sir!

This thread is not much worse than some of the others you mentioned...unfortunately, we can't or don't read every single post, or even thread, here. What made this one bad enough is:

a. I read the thread and it met the criteria to be deleted, (this reason was enough alone to be deleted), and

b. it was being posted in multiple forums in exactly the same format and tone.

If I had seen the other threads you mentioned and they met the criteria, I would have deleted them as well.

Interestingly, I've never met any of the other moderators in person, nor have I even spoken to them on the phone. We communicate via PMs and never really discussed trying to make a concerted stand against any topic. Generally, we agree on just about all actions concerning deletions/banishments, so I like to think that we are simply exercising good judgement on our choices.

Plus, that $24,000 a month in moderator pay doesn't hurt, ya know...

$24,000 a month! Wow! I want to be a moderator, but I don't want to do any of the work. Just give me the money. Don't show me the money, give me the money!!!

 

[Eagleflip]

Maybe I exaggerated just a tad....

Like maybe, uh...that part about being paid....

 

[HMR]

Libel...you are correct, sir!

This thread is not much worse than some of the others you mentioned...unfortunately, we can't or don't read every single post, or even thread, here. What made this one bad enough is:

a. I read the thread and it met the criteria to be deleted, (this reason was enough alone to be deleted), and

b. it was being posted in multiple forums in exactly the same format and tone.

If I had seen the other threads you mentioned and they met the criteria, I would have deleted them as well.

Last week the Pac Jet thread was only posted once on the 135 board. It was removed. It was posted again. It was removed again. There were mostly informative, non-libelous posts on each thread. The overall tone of the threads was negative because Pac Jet has a terrible rep. It's not unsubstantiated, there are newspaper articles slamming the company. Why not just delete individual posts and warn the poster as is usually done? FlightInfo is a great resource for job research. I found my job here. If a company has a bad rep, unhappy employees, or a terrible safety record- I think that's relevant info.

I know the mods can't read every post yet you've managed to find and delete each Pac Jet thread. It seems they're being singled-out for censorship.

But what do I know? I'm just some pilot sitting by the beach with a wireless connection. I have bigger fish to fry (BBQ, actually).

 

[cforst513]

eagleflip, how DID you guys get to be moderators? are you all friends in the 'real world' or what? i'm just curious how you, falcon capt, and the others got this gig.

 

[banned username 2]

Plus, that $24,000 a month in moderator pay doesn't hurt, ya know...

MAN!!! You are SOOOO lowering the BAR of our "Moderator Profession!" I am getting $36,000 per month PLUS full Pension and all the other benefits!

Next thing you know people will be PFMing (Pay-for-Moderating) all over the place and I will have to sell my 7 Corvette's! (Well I'd probably keep Friday's, since it is red, all the other colors would have to go!)

 

[jbDC9]

I dunno, I still don't get it... Eagleflip mentioned deleting posts to prevent blah blah blah. This line was posted above; "Have threads on GIA, Comair, Clay Lacy, Pan Am, Great Lakes, Pinnacle, FLOPS, Net Jets, numerous other cargo, charter and flight training companies been removed? Harsh words were used and serious accusations were made." I was kinda wondering the same thing...

So how 'bout it Eagle, why is it okay to post bad stuff about these other companies, but not Pacific Jet? Have you read the Cargo forums lately, specifically the Air Tahoma threads?? Why do you allow bashing on Tahoma but not PJ? How about posts ragging on Mesa, they're posted here by the hundreds... I understand that this is a private forum, no freedom of speech and all that, but why the double standard?? Personally, I have no idea who or what Pacific Jet is, and I don't really care, but the moderators treatment of their posts just seems kinda strange.

 

[pa56pa]

If you really have to know, PJ probably released their firearms of attorneys, phone calls were made and walla!! THE THREAD WAS DELETED....

But c'mon you guys... their bad rep has already been exposed to the charter community and the FAA. Unfortunately, there's that 1% group of young, naive pilots and unfortunately aircraft owners that continue to test the salt water or are just simply "ignorant" about PJ.

 

[Flechas]

How about posts ragging on Mesa, they're posted here by the hundreds...

If they were to delete the Mesa posts Flightinfo would cease to exist...

 

[aeronautic1]

Can anyone....

... tell me what all the hubbub is about at "J.P.?"

Enquiring minds want to know.