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Typical Line: 4 on 3 off. 3 day lines happen a lot, if you're senior enough to hold 'em. Every now and then a 5 on 2 off (usually reserve).
Reserve: 0-2 months would be a good estimate. A lot of guys in base will bid reserve.
Upgrade? It varies, but about a year. Getting ready to run some that took about 8-9 months.
Hope this helps. Jetstream time is valuable, in that you will be able to fly an airplane. And future interviewers will know it.
Reserve: 0-2 months would be a good estimate. A lot of guys in base will bid reserve.
Upgrade? It varies, but about a year. Getting ready to run some that took about 8-9 months.
Hope this helps. Jetstream time is valuable, in that you will be able to fly an airplane. And future interviewers will know it.
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ebaybob said:
There is a possibility, But I wouldn't bet on it. There are a lot of Senior F/O's that bid the weekend lines, because they have the longer overnights. All the over nights on the weekdays and Sunday (everyday but SAT) are 9 to 10 hours. So expect very little rest. Right now, there is a lot of F/O's online and you may sit reserve for 2 to 4 months. There are normally about 3 to 4 Composite lines which are ok. I myself bidded some reserve lines to hold weekends off. Never had to sit reserve though, I always held a weekend line. But I wouldn't plan on having Thurs- Sundays off all the time, until you get in the Top 10.
Quicker movement being STL based, instead of BNA.
Upgrade time slowed down just a little bit as I was leaving. It's running right about a year to 14 months. Great stepping stone and good time. Everyone respect JS32 pilots. Also, I good group of guys overthere to fly with.
I just left for CHQ last month, but enjoyed my time there for the most part.
Good Luck.
PM me if you have more Questions.
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On Your Six said:
You can go to www.regionsair.com to see the Cities. There is no word if Regions was awarded their EAS Cities back. But just to name a few......
BRL, PAH, UIN, MWA, EVV, TBN, CGI.......and so on.
The Bases are STL and BNA/MQY----- Is Nashville based, you will fly out of Nashville Intl and Smyrna Reg. You must have a car to be based there.
Most of the lines are not commutable either.
I agree that if you fly the Jetscream, you will become a very competent pilot if you're not one already.
One thing to consider about Regions however, is the fact that they don't upgrade based on seniority. Anyone correct me if this has changed. But last I know is that upgrade is based on CA recomendations. Sooooo....you'd better get along with your CA at all times or that could come back to bite you. Also, given this scenerio some junior people to you could upgrade before you. Just some food for thought...
One thing to consider about Regions however, is the fact that they don't upgrade based on seniority. Anyone correct me if this has changed. But last I know is that upgrade is based on CA recomendations. Sooooo....you'd better get along with your CA at all times or that could come back to bite you. Also, given this scenerio some junior people to you could upgrade before you. Just some food for thought...
”One thing to consider about Regions however, is the fact that they don't upgrade based on seniority. Anyone correct me if this has changed.”
Well, you are correct to a point. Upgrades ARE seniority based however, they’ll bypass you if you struggle in training, have poor captain evals., or just don’t seem to be ready. I can only think of a handful pilots who were bypassed and even then it wasn’t for a very long period of time, 6 months or so? Maybe there were some other cases but this is all I remember.
“But last I know is that upgrade is based on CA recomendations. Sooooo....you'd better get along with your CA at all times or that could come back to bite you. “
Not entirely true; the folks in the training department are pretty good about being able to tell when an evaluation seems to be bad just because two pilots can’t get along. They are looking at the big picture, NOT just 1 or 2 black-ball evals.
EbayBob & Tram – Nashville would be very hard to get right now, unless things change with this purchase; commuting out of STL is not easy but doable.
Guys and gals,
Wish everyone at Regions the very best with the new VivaAir purchase. I hope you finally get some better equipment and benefits. Y’all hang in there!
Take care,
HomeY
Well, you are correct to a point. Upgrades ARE seniority based however, they’ll bypass you if you struggle in training, have poor captain evals., or just don’t seem to be ready. I can only think of a handful pilots who were bypassed and even then it wasn’t for a very long period of time, 6 months or so? Maybe there were some other cases but this is all I remember.
“But last I know is that upgrade is based on CA recomendations. Sooooo....you'd better get along with your CA at all times or that could come back to bite you. “
Not entirely true; the folks in the training department are pretty good about being able to tell when an evaluation seems to be bad just because two pilots can’t get along. They are looking at the big picture, NOT just 1 or 2 black-ball evals.
EbayBob & Tram – Nashville would be very hard to get right now, unless things change with this purchase; commuting out of STL is not easy but doable.
Guys and gals,
Wish everyone at Regions the very best with the new VivaAir purchase. I hope you finally get some better equipment and benefits. Y’all hang in there!
Take care,
HomeY
“What is rough about the commute out of BNA to STL? Not enough flights?”
I’ve been told there are fewer flights now between BNA and STL which makes it more difficult. Also, fewer BNA line holders = more pilots who were previously based in BNA are now commuting to STL = more competition for the jumpseat.
”Also, I have been trying to find this, but what is the FO pay?”
Ok, are you ready?
<1,000 = $17/hr
1,000 – 1,499 = $18/hr
>1,500 = $19/hr
75 hour guarantee but I think most people fly way more than 75 hours; can any current corpex guy throw in a number here?
(hey, plz don’t shoot me, I’m just the messenger
)
Pay starts from your show-time to 15 minutes after chocks are in, per diem $1.25/hr
I’ve been told there are fewer flights now between BNA and STL which makes it more difficult. Also, fewer BNA line holders = more pilots who were previously based in BNA are now commuting to STL = more competition for the jumpseat.
”Also, I have been trying to find this, but what is the FO pay?”
Ok, are you ready?
<1,000 = $17/hr
1,000 – 1,499 = $18/hr
>1,500 = $19/hr
75 hour guarantee but I think most people fly way more than 75 hours; can any current corpex guy throw in a number here?
(hey, plz don’t shoot me, I’m just the messenger
)Pay starts from your show-time to 15 minutes after chocks are in, per diem $1.25/hr
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Tram
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I won't shoot ya..
See, here is my question.. Would it be better to suck it up for a little while and work for something like Regions - with a decent upgrade time, fly with them for a few years - snatch up some nice Turbine PIC time and then move on?
I mean, if the upgrade time at most of the other regionals is around the 4-5 year mark, by the time you put some time in at something like Regions, you will be "ahead" of the other guys with the PIC.. Every Major Captain I talk to tells me to pick up the PIC turbine ASAP..
Now this could be completely fouled logic - and if it is, I'm sure someone will let me know..
See, here is my question.. Would it be better to suck it up for a little while and work for something like Regions - with a decent upgrade time, fly with them for a few years - snatch up some nice Turbine PIC time and then move on?
I mean, if the upgrade time at most of the other regionals is around the 4-5 year mark, by the time you put some time in at something like Regions, you will be "ahead" of the other guys with the PIC.. Every Major Captain I talk to tells me to pick up the PIC turbine ASAP..
Now this could be completely fouled logic - and if it is, I'm sure someone will let me know..
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I won't shoot ya..
Thank you :beer:
”See, here is my question.. Would it be better to suck it up for a little while and work for something like Regions - with a decent upgrade time, fly with them for a few years - snatch up some nice Turbine PIC time and then move on?”
TRAM - Wow, this is a tough, $19,000 a year question!
Seriously, it is a very tough question and unfortunately there is no easy answer to it. Most airlines (but not all) require some kind of college degree so if you don’t have one, you are in effect eliminating yourself from their radar screen. Same applies to the 1,000 hour pic flight time (sometimes 500) most airlines require in order for you to apply. Remember, all they are saying is that when you reach that number - you may apply, NOT that they’ll call you as soon as you get the magic 1,000 hours. Until you get your minimums though, you are not even registering on their radar screen.
Lets say 1,000pic are their minimums but 2,500pic are the actual “competitive minimums.” You go to Regions, get the hours and you apply; at least now you know you’re in their system. By constantly updating your file, getting recommendations, etc you might get a shot way before you reach the competitive minimums. Had you instead gone to a “better paying, bigger airplane” job you’d probably be logging sic time much longer, which almost certainly would have prevented you from even applying.
So personally I’d have picked Regions just to be able to apply with other airlines sooner.
“Every Major Captain I talk to tells me to pick up the PIC turbine ASAP..”
I agree with those guys/gals.
Note, I am not trying to talk you into going to Regions! I don’t know you and I don’t really know your circumstances, you need to do what you think is best for you.
I can tell you though that I do recommend Regions to my friends. Why? First of all, I would never try to talk them into something I believed was bad for them. I also make sure they have the whole picture regarding the working conditions, the pay and benefits (or lack thereof), etc. and then let them make their own decisions.
I tell them to pick Regions because I believe that despite all its shortcomings it is still one of the quickest ways of accumulating invaluable part 121 pilot-in-command flight time.
Here’s a question to you. Do you have a “dream” airline you’d like to work at in the future? If so, maybe you know someone there who could give you some guidance? He or she could easily call the HR department and get the answers you are looking for. ALL airlines like flight experience, lots of it, but they differ in how they qualify the “minimums” to apply. Whether you are thinking of UPS, JetBlue, SWA, Continental, FedEx, Airtran, etc., (or Delta, AA, United, NWA, etc. further down the road because of their current financial situations) they all have HR departments. Try to get your friends to make a few phone calls and get you some advice since you’re just beginning your flight career (I’m guessing, your profile isn’t very precise you know?) A little research today might help you a whole lot in the future!
For example, do they (HR/Recruiting department) prefer jet time over turboprop? Or is it all the same? Would they rather see part-121 turbine pic over jet sic-time? Would turboprop check-airman time be more valuable than jet pic? I know I am asking many questions but I think you’d make it much easier on yourself if you called your friends and just asked them for advice. Also, talk to several, not just one, and then make a decision you think is best for you. Sorry about the lengthy letter, good luck to you!
av80r
CaptainHappy – they are not planning on “street captains” right now from what I hear (mainly because that would create many Captain&foUNHAPPY’s over there!)
They’ve done it before when they hired ex-TSA pilots into the left seat for STL domicile; I think some folks were less than happy about that. Then again, they might have to.
av80r
Thank you :beer:
”See, here is my question.. Would it be better to suck it up for a little while and work for something like Regions - with a decent upgrade time, fly with them for a few years - snatch up some nice Turbine PIC time and then move on?”
TRAM - Wow, this is a tough, $19,000 a year question!
Seriously, it is a very tough question and unfortunately there is no easy answer to it. Most airlines (but not all) require some kind of college degree so if you don’t have one, you are in effect eliminating yourself from their radar screen. Same applies to the 1,000 hour pic flight time (sometimes 500) most airlines require in order for you to apply. Remember, all they are saying is that when you reach that number - you may apply, NOT that they’ll call you as soon as you get the magic 1,000 hours. Until you get your minimums though, you are not even registering on their radar screen.
Lets say 1,000pic are their minimums but 2,500pic are the actual “competitive minimums.” You go to Regions, get the hours and you apply; at least now you know you’re in their system. By constantly updating your file, getting recommendations, etc you might get a shot way before you reach the competitive minimums. Had you instead gone to a “better paying, bigger airplane” job you’d probably be logging sic time much longer, which almost certainly would have prevented you from even applying.
So personally I’d have picked Regions just to be able to apply with other airlines sooner.
“Every Major Captain I talk to tells me to pick up the PIC turbine ASAP..”
I agree with those guys/gals.
Note, I am not trying to talk you into going to Regions! I don’t know you and I don’t really know your circumstances, you need to do what you think is best for you.
I can tell you though that I do recommend Regions to my friends. Why? First of all, I would never try to talk them into something I believed was bad for them. I also make sure they have the whole picture regarding the working conditions, the pay and benefits (or lack thereof), etc. and then let them make their own decisions.
I tell them to pick Regions because I believe that despite all its shortcomings it is still one of the quickest ways of accumulating invaluable part 121 pilot-in-command flight time.
Here’s a question to you. Do you have a “dream” airline you’d like to work at in the future? If so, maybe you know someone there who could give you some guidance? He or she could easily call the HR department and get the answers you are looking for. ALL airlines like flight experience, lots of it, but they differ in how they qualify the “minimums” to apply. Whether you are thinking of UPS, JetBlue, SWA, Continental, FedEx, Airtran, etc., (or Delta, AA, United, NWA, etc. further down the road because of their current financial situations) they all have HR departments. Try to get your friends to make a few phone calls and get you some advice since you’re just beginning your flight career (I’m guessing, your profile isn’t very precise you know?
) A little research today might help you a whole lot in the future!For example, do they (HR/Recruiting department) prefer jet time over turboprop? Or is it all the same? Would they rather see part-121 turbine pic over jet sic-time? Would turboprop check-airman time be more valuable than jet pic? I know I am asking many questions but I think you’d make it much easier on yourself if you called your friends and just asked them for advice. Also, talk to several, not just one, and then make a decision you think is best for you. Sorry about the lengthy letter, good luck to you!
av80r
CaptainHappy – they are not planning on “street captains” right now from what I hear (mainly because that would create many Captain&foUNHAPPY’s over there!)
They’ve done it before when they hired ex-TSA pilots into the left seat for STL domicile; I think some folks were less than happy about that. Then again, they might have to.
av80r
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You guys have to be kiddn' me
“Every Major Captain I talk to tells me to pick up the PIC turbine ASAP..”
I flew for a St. Louis based airline (Regions is basically a STL company, and no one even knew of them) and some regions guy came up to the cockpit and asked to jumpseat. The captain and I said "who ya' with?" "I guess you can sit up here." The reason I tell this story is this, "PIC 121" time is great, but if you have "PIC 121" time from some shady unknown j-32 driving POS joint, where the F is that going to get you? Ask all those Regions/Corporate captains where they're going? SKW, CHQ, ASA, EXJ, PCL, and unfortunatley even TSA?...Yeah. Jetblue, SWA, FedEx, UPS, Continental? Hell No! Give me a break.
“Every Major Captain I talk to tells me to pick up the PIC turbine ASAP..”
I flew for a St. Louis based airline (Regions is basically a STL company, and no one even knew of them) and some regions guy came up to the cockpit and asked to jumpseat. The captain and I said "who ya' with?" "I guess you can sit up here." The reason I tell this story is this, "PIC 121" time is great, but if you have "PIC 121" time from some shady unknown j-32 driving POS joint, where the F is that going to get you? Ask all those Regions/Corporate captains where they're going? SKW, CHQ, ASA, EXJ, PCL, and unfortunatley even TSA?...Yeah. Jetblue, SWA, FedEx, UPS, Continental? Hell No! Give me a break.
Well, I beg to differ. It really doesn’t matter if you or your captain knows much about this or other “shady joints,” as long as the recruiters for the airlines do - and they do. You’d be surprised how much they know about even some small airlines, their codeshares, etc., just go to a job seminar and talk to them. You’re right, majority of the guys have moved on to other regionals, especially in the last couple of years, but many have moved on to SWA, AWA, Airtran, and Fedex. My only point was, get your 1,000 pic at this “j-32 driving POS joint” and then move somewhere else. I, along with the other pilots he/she had talked to were only offering our personal advice. How will putting down this or any other airline make his or her decision any easier?
Respectfully,
av80r
Respectfully,
av80r
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Tram
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AV8OR - Thanks for the reply, I do have a "dream" airline, which as of late is everyone's dream airline it seems.. That being FedEx.. I know a few people in the industry and have been talking to them about "the lonley path I should travel." They have given me solid advice and mentioned to "get other advice" also.. So that is what I am doing.. An attempt at properly informed decision making, I guess..
FR8 DAWG - First of all - I do not profess to be all knowing in this industry - you probably have "more time from the inner marker" than I do total and I am sure I could learn something from you in the airplane - I am still breaking into it and learning everyday and am not trying to get into a 5 page long argument over what time is what, what I am seeking is advice from other sources than I have readily available..
This is what I do know, I have been surrounded by major airlines my entire life and I have seen the path many guys have taken.. I know several captains who never worked for a "regional" or a "commuter." I also know several who have worked the "regional" route as well as 135 stuff..
So, While working at a carrier everyone knows may help, I do know this, majors hire many corporate guys who have been flying Rich Guy X and Rich Guy Y, they hire cargo guys flying for this cargo company that cargo company and they hire guys from small island hopping charter groups and sight seeing operations outwest.. Do you think lots of people know "Ameriflight" or "Air Cargo Carriers" what about "Corporate Flight Management" or maybe "Scenic Air" or "Darby Aviation" or "Andersen Aviation?" Those are not big names - persay - and yet people get picked up from them..
I don't think they look at the resume and say "Oh, you have 1,500 REGIONS turbine PIC" or "Hey, lookie here this guy has 1,900 Ameriflight turbine PIC" and then pick the pilot based on WHO he did the flight time with.. That's like saying an RJ with Delta on the side flies more valuable time than an RJ with Northwest on the side.. I also know that from what I have heard, the most "put together pilots" are comming out of 121 Regionals and going to the majors.. Not that this is a stiff on freight dawgs, as much as it is a freight dawg is a single pilot deal usually - so when thrown into a crew enviroment, they don't mesh as seamlessly as often a 121 guy will.. The same can be said of fighter pilots who fly single man, do all missions.. It's simply and observation I have heard made many time, not one I have made myself..
So this is what I ask you - what makes you think your Merlin time, Beech 99 time or your Shorts time any better than J-32 time or Saab 340 time? Who did you fly these for? I'll snag a few widebody ca's and see if they know of them.. Did you fly these 135, 121 or 91? I am pretty certain part 121 time is more valuable to most majors than 135 time just as 135 time is more valuable than 91 time.. Why? Simply because they operate under different regs with different agenda's.. Who would you hire? Take two guys who have the same "qualifications" yet one is already used to the system you use at your company and the other will need to learn some "new tricks." who would you hire? The guy who already knows the rules..
I can tell you one thing - several of the ca's I know had never heard of half the places I have considered working, and they are "decently" large places that send guys to the majors...
Ahh, enough babble, I gotta go fly.
FR8 DAWG - First of all - I do not profess to be all knowing in this industry - you probably have "more time from the inner marker" than I do total and I am sure I could learn something from you in the airplane - I am still breaking into it and learning everyday and am not trying to get into a 5 page long argument over what time is what, what I am seeking is advice from other sources than I have readily available..
This is what I do know, I have been surrounded by major airlines my entire life and I have seen the path many guys have taken.. I know several captains who never worked for a "regional" or a "commuter." I also know several who have worked the "regional" route as well as 135 stuff..
So, While working at a carrier everyone knows may help, I do know this, majors hire many corporate guys who have been flying Rich Guy X and Rich Guy Y, they hire cargo guys flying for this cargo company that cargo company and they hire guys from small island hopping charter groups and sight seeing operations outwest.. Do you think lots of people know "Ameriflight" or "Air Cargo Carriers" what about "Corporate Flight Management" or maybe "Scenic Air" or "Darby Aviation" or "Andersen Aviation?" Those are not big names - persay - and yet people get picked up from them..
I don't think they look at the resume and say "Oh, you have 1,500 REGIONS turbine PIC" or "Hey, lookie here this guy has 1,900 Ameriflight turbine PIC" and then pick the pilot based on WHO he did the flight time with.. That's like saying an RJ with Delta on the side flies more valuable time than an RJ with Northwest on the side.. I also know that from what I have heard, the most "put together pilots" are comming out of 121 Regionals and going to the majors.. Not that this is a stiff on freight dawgs, as much as it is a freight dawg is a single pilot deal usually - so when thrown into a crew enviroment, they don't mesh as seamlessly as often a 121 guy will.. The same can be said of fighter pilots who fly single man, do all missions.. It's simply and observation I have heard made many time, not one I have made myself..
So this is what I ask you - what makes you think your Merlin time, Beech 99 time or your Shorts time any better than J-32 time or Saab 340 time? Who did you fly these for? I'll snag a few widebody ca's and see if they know of them.. Did you fly these 135, 121 or 91? I am pretty certain part 121 time is more valuable to most majors than 135 time just as 135 time is more valuable than 91 time.. Why? Simply because they operate under different regs with different agenda's.. Who would you hire? Take two guys who have the same "qualifications" yet one is already used to the system you use at your company and the other will need to learn some "new tricks." who would you hire? The guy who already knows the rules..
I can tell you one thing - several of the ca's I know had never heard of half the places I have considered working, and they are "decently" large places that send guys to the majors...
Ahh, enough babble, I gotta go fly.
“AV80R - Thanks for the reply, I do have a "dream" airline, which as of late is everyone's dream airline it seems.. That being FedEx..”
TRAM -
Why don’t you try to PM AlbieF15? He is a pilot at FedEx and also provides an excellent interview prep service (never used it myself but I’ve read some great feedbacks on this forum).
Their home page is http://emeraldcoastinterviewconsulting.com, email [email protected], and phone number is (850) 774-6704.
I’m not sure if he’ll be interested in helping you out but maybe he can give some very basic career advice to a “future” FedEx interview-preparation customer?
He might be willing to help, he might not but it doesn’t hurt to try?
Good luck to you! av80r
Ps. I noticed you were trying to get some info on GooooooJets (for some reason, the actual name of the airline name keeps being deleted, weird). I know several Regions pilots who interviewed there and were offered employment. Most of them chose to turn the job offer down because of the tactics TSA management is using against their own employees. It was a very tough decision for those RegionsAir pilots considering in effect they turned down some major improvements in their lives (in both pay and equipment); but I applaud their decisions. I do not consider ************************* pilots scabs because there wasn’t any strike going on at TSA and they didn’t actually cross a picket line; nevertheless, I’d not apply at *************************s.
TRAM -
Why don’t you try to PM AlbieF15? He is a pilot at FedEx and also provides an excellent interview prep service (never used it myself but I’ve read some great feedbacks on this forum).
Their home page is http://emeraldcoastinterviewconsulting.com, email [email protected], and phone number is (850) 774-6704.
I’m not sure if he’ll be interested in helping you out but maybe he can give some very basic career advice to a “future” FedEx interview-preparation customer?
He might be willing to help, he might not but it doesn’t hurt to try?
Good luck to you! av80r
Ps. I noticed you were trying to get some info on GooooooJets (for some reason, the actual name of the airline name keeps being deleted, weird). I know several Regions pilots who interviewed there and were offered employment. Most of them chose to turn the job offer down because of the tactics TSA management is using against their own employees. It was a very tough decision for those RegionsAir pilots considering in effect they turned down some major improvements in their lives (in both pay and equipment); but I applaud their decisions. I do not consider ************************* pilots scabs because there wasn’t any strike going on at TSA and they didn’t actually cross a picket line; nevertheless, I’d not apply at *************************s.
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“AV8OR - My dad dealt with scabs at Eastern, so if one thing I learned is to be in no way connected to anything close to a scab.. “
TRAM –
Again, I do NOT consider them scabs; I just dislike the methods their company uses against the pilots and wish the GoooJets pilots wouldn’t let this happen.
“I will give Albie15 a PM, do you know what equipment he is on?”
- Unfortunately I do not; a while ago he was making poking fun of his landings so I assume he is not an FE
TRAM –
Again, I do NOT consider them scabs; I just dislike the methods their company uses against the pilots and wish the GoooJets pilots wouldn’t let this happen.
“I will give Albie15 a PM, do you know what equipment he is on?”
- Unfortunately I do not; a while ago he was making poking fun of his landings so I assume he is not an FE
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hey flipping freq. and heard some chatter here.
Tram: I would encourage you to take in all the info. and understand most is just opinion. Make a decision based on what will be good for you. AV8or is giving you some great info. with first hand knowledge.
TT and PIC turbine are still (in my opinion) the most important to have on your resume. Don't sweat it if some dude doesn't know your airline- your just trying to get to work or get home--who cares.
dream airline--fedex?? how about ups? <wink> ok- its your dream.
fbt
Tram: I would encourage you to take in all the info. and understand most is just opinion. Make a decision based on what will be good for you. AV8or is giving you some great info. with first hand knowledge.
TT and PIC turbine are still (in my opinion) the most important to have on your resume. Don't sweat it if some dude doesn't know your airline- your just trying to get to work or get home--who cares.
dream airline--fedex?? how about ups? <wink> ok- its your dream.
fbt
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JetScreamDriver said:
there are NO three day lines. Period!
Now that I have your attention...
The line construction is more or less like
this...
Four day trip. Day one, 10:50 show, five
legs into a 9:23 overnight, 4hrs, 25 min of
flight time.
Day two-eight legs, 14hrs 48min on duty,
6hrs 50min flight time to a 9hr 14 min
overnight...
Day three-six or eight legs, another mind
numbing mixture of sitting and 28 minute
turns with 6-7 hours of flying in nearly
fifteen hours of duty into (LOL) a scheduled
Nine Hour (min legal) overnight where your
rest starts before you even get to the
motel and ends before you get to the airport
just like the other two...
Day four- operating on severe lack of adequate
rest over the last three overnights you will
beat your head against a five leg day with
30 minute turns, 4hrs 42 min of flight time
in oh, say 7 hours on duty, 12:30 release.
Next week will be more or less the same
times but different cities. Of course there is
the much fought over (cynicism intended)
five on-two off line and the much loved
"stuff" that is thrown in at the beginning
or end of the month to cheat the lineholder
out of a full three days off and build the line
up to over 75 hrs...and possibly cost you a
motel room because of the 0830 show- and
the 4 on-three off line that has an RON in
STL without enough time to go home and
get back if you commute-re:another motel
room out of your pocket.
Reserve lines are built to mock, not "mimic"
the hard lines. 5on, 2off. 10 days off per
month. There are places that only give the line
holders 10 days per month off though. Mesa is
one of them. Some hard lines have 15 days off.
The training is tough. If you get through it you
will be able to get through anything (except maybe hellweek for SEALs).
You will fly with some of the best people out there, regardless of the fun I have poked at some of them. Our outstation personel are outstanding, even feeding the crew when they get to some where that there is nothing open on Christmas Eve
or Thanksgiving. I talked a guy out of bailing last
December-a new guy that wasn't sure that the 121 thing was for him. He'll upgrade soon. If you
can cut it at corpex, you can cut it anywhere.
Hope this clarifies things...
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