Regional to get an ATP

[cynic]

When you get hired as a FO with a regional at what point do you get to do an ATP checkride?

I was thinking (yes I know this is "wrong") of trying to get hired by a regional, going through training to get the type rating and an ATP and then quitting.

I've got over 1500 hours and a few hundred multi so I think I could get hired easily.

Suggestion on how to make this work. I'd have about 6 weeks I could devote full time to the new 'job'

 

[John Pennekamp]

All check rides are flown to ATP standards, but you don't actually get your ATP until you upgrade to captain.

 

[BoilerUP]

All check rides are flown to ATP standards, but you don't actually get your ATP until you upgrade to captain.

Nor do you get a full-blown type at most (if not all) regionals until you upgrade to captain.

 

[Inconceivable]

Don't do this. I would hope you have enough ethics not to, but just in case you don't:

You are taking a seat in class (and seniority) from someone else who really wants to be there, no matter how lame the airline.

You are pi$$ing off management, cause them to create training contracts and bonds that will be held against other pilots. Now when someone who HAS to leave the company after ten months because their kid has cancer tries to, he gets presented with a bill.

You are incurring unnecessary expenses for whatever company you do this to--expenses that ill be held against the pilot group at their next contract negotiation.


In short, you are screwing over a lot of people just to "get yours"--if you are a current CFI just take a free checkride with the feds or the DPE you have been sending students to.

Frankly, it's cr@p like yours that makes everything an uphill fight for the rest of us with management.

 

[AutoBus]

When you get hired as a FO with a regional at what point do you get to do an ATP checkride?

I was thinking (yes I know this is "wrong") of trying to get hired by a regional, going through training to get the type rating and an ATP and then quitting.

I've got over 1500 hours and a few hundred multi so I think I could get hired easily.

Suggestion on how to make this work. I'd have about 6 weeks I could devote full time to the new 'job'

Go ahead do it! And then try to explain it to your next employer, maybe the one you really want to work for,

Something like this

"I see you worked for XYZ airline for 6 weeks, and then you left, what happened there?" (he's thinking training problem, attitude problem, etc...)

 

[XJohXJ]

In other words: you will be screwing over other pilots, not just management.

 

[bizzum]

When you get hired as a FO with a regional at what point do you get to do an ATP checkride?

I was thinking (yes I know this is "wrong") of trying to get hired by a regional, going through training to get the type rating and an ATP and then quitting.

I've got over 1500 hours and a few hundred multi so I think I could get hired easily.

Suggestion on how to make this work. I'd have about 6 weeks I could devote full time to the new 'job'

Jeez, with OVER 1500 hours, you are obviously wasting your time thinking about the regionals. With those high times, you should just try and get a "Job" at a major, and I am sure you can "easily" get hired, especially with a few HUNDRED multi.

 

[time builder]

Go ahead do it! And then try to explain it to your next employer, maybe the one you really want to work for,

Something like this

"I see you worked for XYZ airline for 6 weeks, and then you left, what happened there?" (he's thinking training problem, attitude problem, etc...)

Good point. Status quo for the industry seems to be 6 months to a year minimum. Staying with an airline job for 6 weeks would be a red flag on your work history. They might even think you were asked to resign and trying to hide it.

There's so much impulsiveness with pilots right now. Sure, it's a time of opportunity, but in the long run, your reputation will outweigh the details on your resume.

 

[viper548]

What do you need the ATP for anyways? You'll get it when you need it

 

[Flyer1015]

If you're really desperate for the ATP, you can do it at Sheble's for about $2k.

 

[cynic]

Seriously, I don't want to work for an airline later so it doesn't matter. If I thought pay and work rules might improve one day I would love to but thats just not going to happen. It is what it is.

I know I don't have enough time to get hired by a major, but thanks for clarifying. I could 'easily' get on with a regional. Jeez, they'll take coco the flying monkey these days.

I could get the ATP via a fed checkride for free but I thought it would be fun to go through the training for a regional jet at the same time. Thats all.

Isn't the pilot motto FYIGM???? I'll check with ALPA on that but I think I got it right.

 

[cynic]

Frankly, it's cr@p like yours that makes everything an uphill fight for the rest of us with management.

Actually I think its maroons like you that take crappy jobs that make an 'uphill fight'

Oh wait.... so long as YOU can move on later it won't matter. Thats right. I remember the pilot motto.

FYIGM...

In any case. If you don't get your ATP or type during initial training its sort of a mute point. Thanks for the info.

 

[shamrock]

That would be a moot point.

 

[vectorvictor]

Actually I think its maroons like you that take crappy jobs that make an 'uphill fight'

Oh wait.... so long as YOU can move on later it won't matter. Thats right. I remember the pilot motto.

FYIGM...

In any case. If you don't get your ATP or type during initial training its sort of a mute point. Thanks for the info.

Don't confuse accepting a job with a lower pay scale than desired and than doing the job to the best of your ability and sacrificing of yourself in order to gain knowledge and further advance your career at a later time with knowingly and willingly accepting a job just to get an your ATP cert.

If your code of ethics is in the toilet your career will soon follow.

 

[wms]

That's the corporate culture in America. Mgmt considers workers expendable and cuts them loose without a thought like throwing ballast off a hot-air balloon. But when employees use jobs as stepping stones, which is what regional mgts have proudly made their companies, then suddenly they try to throw the where's the loyalty guilt trip on us.

 

[cynic]

accepting a job with a lower pay scale.... sacrificing of yourself in order to gain knowledge and further advance your career at a later time......

Ummm yeah.... actually that probably is worse than showing up and quitting shortly after. You send the message "I'll work for less!"

I send the message "You pay and work rules stink. Perhaps if they were better people would stick around"

 

[cynic]

That would be a moot point.

I am embarrassed.

I hope my bad grammar did not have a negative affect on you. You can’t be to careful when you type in a public forum. Well what can you do? Some people don’t know there head from a hole in the ground. I guess I’m one of them because I never learned to write as good as I should have.