Regional question regarding GoJet!?!?

[subin30]

I don't fly for GoJet but I do run into them frequently in Chicago and Denver. The ones I talk to seem happy with their employer and they like flying the aircraft. What you mostly hear on here are ALPA zealots who are bitter that their own leadership led them down the wrong path when they had the chance for GoJet flying and convinced them to vote down the opportunity to get theflying. I think they blame the company for not bailing them out of their own mistakes. Anyway, if you talk to the guys there I think you will find most think its a pretty good place to be. As for a career ender....not a chance of that. They get hired at all the other carriers just like any other Regional with the qualifications and time. Tell your cousin to find the first job he can and start building time...then move on when he can.

F%CK Gayjet! Would vote on a five year contract with a $1 increase in pay for the 70seat? Plus a contract that is worse then the present contract TSA has. I've seen the contract and voted it down!

Plus gayjet pilots getting furlough protection and tsa pilots getting stapled to the bottom of gayjet list. 10 year captain at tsa getting f@CKed by a 1 year captain at gayjet off the street. I'm sure you would like that.

80 pilots got furloughed at tsa during this whole process. gayjets 0! even better, they offered those furloughs a new hire class and gayjet. FACT!

can you tell i have absolutely no respect for those scums and anyone that supports them?

 

[Foxcow]

I don't fly for GoJet but I do run into them frequently in Chicago and Denver. The ones I talk to seem happy with their employer and they like flying the aircraft. What you mostly hear on here are ALPA zealots who are bitter that their own leadership led them down the wrong path when they had the chance for GoJet flying and convinced them to vote down the opportunity to get theflying. I think they blame the company for not bailing them out of their own mistakes. Anyway, if you talk to the guys there I think you will find most think its a pretty good place to be. As for a career ender....not a chance of that. They get hired at all the other carriers just like any other Regional with the qualifications and time. Tell your cousin to find the first job he can and start building time...then move on when he can.

Tell me this a joke. You can always tell who these **************************************** are by the look on their face and the fact that they hide their IDs. My friends at other carriers always laugh when they deny those guys a ride even though they say they work for Trans States holdings. Working without a contract is a blast too.

 

[theo]

Tell me this a joke. You can always tell who these **************************************** are by the look on their face and the fact that they hide their IDs. My friends at other carriers always laugh when they deny those guys a ride even though they say they work for Trans States holdings. Working without a contract is a blast too.

No joke...I see them...I talk to them....they seem pretty nice to me....I for one would never want to start a jumpseat war with anyone. What you do is screw your fellow pilots when they need a ride on the carrier you refuse...they end up retaliating and one of your "brothers" suffer because of your misguided attempt at making a point. Grow up and act like an adult...let them on and then convince them they made a mistake (if you can) but dont start something that could eventually bite you or your fellow employees in the a$$.

 

[PCL_128]

I have no respect for a fellow pilot that would request a jumpseat from a HoJet scumbag, so I'm not too concerned about creating a "jumpseat war" with them.

 

[theo]

I have no respect for a fellow pilot that would request a jumpseat from a HoJet scumbag, so I'm not too concerned about creating a "jumpseat war" with them.

Spoken like someone who doesnt commute to work.

 

[SBD]

I've got a Maltese at home, and when I say "GoJets" he runs outside and poops in the back yard on command.

You made me laugh.

 

[waterski45]

What you mostly hear on here are ALPA zealots who are bitter that their own leadership led them down the wrong path when they had the chance for GoJet flying and convinced them to vote down the opportunity to get theflying. I think they blame the company for not bailing them out of their own mistakes...

...As for a career ender....not a chance of that. They get hired at all the other carriers just like any other Regional with the qualifications and time. Tell your cousin to find the first job he can and start building time...then move on when he can.

I'm far from an "ALPA zealot" and I will never forget what the pilots willingly working at GoJet did to the TSA pilots. Their job exists at the direct expense of another pilot group. Highly unethical as far as I see it, and most others do as well despite what "theo" may try to say.

There are plenty of other jobs at 121 airlines with low time minimums that "your cousin" can get a job at to build time before moving on.

Is GoJet a "career ender?" Maybe, maybe not - but it should be. It all depends on who is sitting on the other side of the table when the interview for the "dream job" comes along. If you are from GoJet every interview in your future will be like playing a game of Russian Roulette with your career. It is still a small industry and not worth taking that chance; there are enough better opportunities out there.

 

[theo]

I'm far from an "ALPA zealot" and I will never forget what the pilots willingly working at GoJet did to the TSA pilots. Their job exists at the direct expense of another pilot group. Highly unethical as far as I see it, and most others do as well despite what "theo" may try to say.

There are plenty of other jobs at 121 airlines with low time minimums that "your cousin" can get a job at to build time before moving on.

Is GoJet a "career ender?" Maybe, maybe not - but it should be. It all depends on who is sitting on the other side of the table when the interview for the "dream job" comes along. If you are from GoJet every interview in your future will be like playing a game of Russian Roulette with your career. It is still a small industry and not worth taking that chance; there are enough better opportunities out there.

I don't think you are going to find the kind of person sitting in the interview chair across from you having the kind of vindictive attitude that is spoken here on Flight Info. The people doing that job tend to have a larger view in mind of finding and hiring qualified candidates. If they let these kind of positions be known then they wouldnt ever get hired to be the one doing the hiring elsewhere.

 

[A350]

Theo is right about the people who do interviews....HR departments don't like zealots.

Waterski.....every regional pilot hired since 2001 was at the expense of another pilot group....Pot meet kettle.

A350

 

[BoilerUP]

Waterski.....every regional pilot hired since 2001 was at the expense of another pilot group....Pot meet kettle.

You forget that mainline pilot groups sold their scope for payrates, workrules, pensions, etc.

You gave away RJ flying - nobody "took" it from you.

 

[PCL_128]

Spoken like someone who doesnt commute to work.

I've spent the last 5 years commuting to work, genius.

 

[waterski45]

Theo is right about the people who do interviews....HR departments don't like zealots.

Waterski.....every regional pilot hired since 2001 was at the expense of another pilot group....Pot meet kettle.

A350

Yes, yes, yes...All regional jobs are at the expense of mainline jobs, and many are even at the expense of another regional (e.g. ACA and Air Wisconsin when United rebid their contract). I'll agree with you on that all night long. That is another debate. The difference with GoJet is that they exist as a separate pilot group from TSA solely to circumvent the TSA CBA and whipsaw that pilot group.

GoJet pilots always love to say how we are all "stealing" other pilots jobs, and what they are doing is nothing different. Well, it is. And to use the argument A350 does is just changing the subject. Apples and oranges.

As for the fact that people in HR departments don't like zealots, we can agree on that as well. But like I said, I'm not an ALPA zealot. I'm not an extreme or outspoken vindictive person. But I do feel (as do many others) that because of the circumstances, a pilot taking a job at GoJet is unethical. It says something about someones character.

So like I said, if you are a GoJet pilot you will be forever taking the chance that the person doing your interview will feel the same way. Why do that with your career when you could go get a job at literally any other regional airline?

 

[A350]

You may consider it apples and oranges, because that supports your arguement.

Whipsaw? Is that what you call it? I suppose the myriad of regional airlines, all fighting for more flying and larger equipment, helped the many mainline UNION pilots in their quest to keep their jobs and careers after 9/11 right?

It is a convenient fact that it was given away... and I won't debate the fact. However, I voted NO for every contract agreement that gave an inch on our scope because you can see the result. Many others did as well.

Further, the arguement that going to GoJets is harmful to your career doesn't hold water. You all want to hold grudges and punish those you feel responsible for your "lot in life"....but noone wants to take responsiblility for their own actions and what it has done to the profession.

Ethics are a slippery slope. So is character.

A350

 

[theo]

Yes, yes, yes...All regional jobs are at the expense of mainline jobs, and many are even at the expense of another regional (e.g. ACA and Air Wisconsin when United rebid their contract). I'll agree with you on that all night long. That is another debate. The difference with GoJet is that they exist as a separate pilot group from TSA solely to circumvent the TSA CBA and whipsaw that pilot group.

GoJet pilots always love to say how we are all "stealing" other pilots jobs, and what they are doing is nothing different. Well, it is. And to use the argument A350 does is just changing the subject. Apples and oranges.

As for the fact that people in HR departments don't like zealots, we can agree on that as well. But like I said, I'm not an ALPA zealot. I'm not an extreme or outspoken vindictive person. But I do feel (as do many others) that because of the circumstances, a pilot taking a job at GoJet is unethical. It says something about someones character.

So like I said, if you are a GoJet pilot you will be forever taking the chance that the person doing your interview will feel the same way. Why do that with your career when you could go get a job at literally any other regional airline?

I don't know if you are or are not a zealot...I do know that very few if any airlines have just one person doing the hiring, I also know that in the group interview where each candidate is discussed that you will have to explain why all the others on a hiring committee will be looking for you to explain why you feel differently than the group. I believe you won't even get away with the first anti GoJet opinion before you are no longer a member of the hiring committee.
My opinion is you are a zealot because you still do not repeat the FACTS accurately about the GoJet situation. TSA pilots could have had the flying...they voted to reject it. They didnt like the deal that ALPA negotiated so they said no. I dont have a problem with anyone voting down a deal if they dont like it. That is what happened. By the way I seem to remember it being written on this board that ALPA National actually recommended that the TSA pilots vote for the Gojet flying but the local TSA MEC would not send the letter to the pilots, rather if I remember correctly, they told the pilots to vote it down and they would then negotiate a better deal. They were wrong obviously and the TSA pilots suffer for it. This is a case where ALPA blew it and in an effort to cover themselves from blame they have tried to villify a group of pilots who work at GoJet to cover up their own blunders. After all how does it look to Skywest pilots and others when they see how ineffective ALPA leadership has proven to be in this and many other situations over the years? That is why the zealots have made it their mission to try and change the facts to make someone else responsible for their screwups, now that is a perfect example of an ALPA zealot's ethics!

 

[waterski45]

My opinion is you are a zealot because you still do not repeat the FACTS accurately about the GoJet situation. TSA pilots could have had the flying...they voted to reject it.

Funny...I seem to remember GoJet being fully operational and staffed before the TSA pilot group was offered the scope for flying. Then management decided to come "negotiate" with TSA pilots to do the flying. The result was a bad deal, and I am still happy that I did not vote for it.

Regardless of the outcome of the vote, the FACT that it was created as a separate group and then used as leverage when negotiating with the union makes it a whipsaw. Any pilot supporting that by going to work there is willing letting himself be used against the TSA pilot group, which I think is wrong.

theo, you can tell yourself whatever you want to make yourself sleep better at night with the decision you made to work there. We can go back and forth all day long on your point of view vs. mine. The FACT is that in the court of public opinion most people seem to view the situation the same way as me.

 

[say again]

Funny...I seem to remember GoJet being fully operational and staffed before the TSA pilot group was offered the scope for flying. Then management decided to come "negotiate" with TSA pilots to do the flying. The result was a bad deal, and I am still happy that I did not vote for it.

Regardless of the outcome of the vote, the FACT that it was created as a separate group and then used as leverage when negotiating with the union makes it a whipsaw. Any pilot supporting that by going to work there is willing letting himself be used against the TSA pilot group, which I think is wrong.

theo, you can tell yourself whatever you want to make yourself sleep better at night with the decision you made to work there. We can go back and forth all day long on your point of view vs. mine. The FACT is that in the court of public opinion most people seem to view the situation the same way as me.

A vast majority do!

 

[theo]

Funny...I seem to remember GoJet being fully operational and staffed before the TSA pilot group was offered the scope for flying. Then management decided to come "negotiate" with TSA pilots to do the flying. The result was a bad deal, and I am still happy that I did not vote for it.

Regardless of the outcome of the vote, the FACT that it was created as a separate group and then used as leverage when negotiating with the union makes it a whipsaw. Any pilot supporting that by going to work there is willing letting himself be used against the TSA pilot group, which I think is wrong.

theo, you can tell yourself whatever you want to make yourself sleep better at night with the decision you made to work there. We can go back and forth all day long on your point of view vs. mine. The FACT is that in the court of public opinion most people seem to view the situation the same way as me.

Once again you are wrong. One, I don't fly there because I already had a job. Two, only the union zealots say they did something wrong, (to cover for their own mistakes), the rest of the world (including pilots) doesnt give a rats ass about GoJet or any other Regional Airline pilot group.

I will agree that you don't like it....I will also agree that the most vocal on this board share your view. But this Flight Info group is actually quite small and for the most part heavily supports ALPA. But in the interest of balance. I am here representing the rest of the airline population that says GoJet is just like any other Regional, a place to build time and move on to other better airlines in the future. That appears to be what they are doing based upon my conversations with them, and the vindictivness seen on this board is not having any impact on them whatsoever. So feel how you wish, just dont insinuate that it some how is affecting them today, tomorrow, or ever.

 

[subin30]

Once again you are wrong. One, I don't fly there because I already had a job. Two, only the union zealots say they did something wrong, (to cover for their own mistakes), the rest of the world (including pilots) doesnt give a rats ass about GoJet or any other Regional Airline pilot group.

I will agree that you don't like it....I will also agree that the most vocal on this board share your view. But this Flight Info group is actually quite small and for the most part heavily supports ALPA. But in the interest of balance. I am here representing the rest of the airline population that says GoJet is just like any other Regional, a place to build time and move on to other better airlines in the future. That appears to be what they are doing based upon my conversations with them, and the vindictivness seen on this board is not having any impact on them whatsoever. So feel how you wish, just dont insinuate that it some how is affecting them today, tomorrow, or ever.

Ok RETARD! You dont know sh!t... you aint representing sh!t either. and the rest of the airline population would like to ask you to shut you SH!T.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Ok RETARD! You dont know sh!t... you aint representing sh!t either. and the rest of the airline population would like to ask you to shut you SH!T.

Agreed!

 

[theo]

Ok RETARD! You dont know sh!t... you aint representing sh!t either. and the rest of the airline population would like to ask you to shut you SH!T.

Classic ALPA zealot retort.....good one!