Regional FO's logging PIC???!!!

[COOPERVANE]

Please stop by this regional thread to see what the future brings. A lively debate on whether or not a FO can log PIC in a 121 operation.

I'm embarassed by the number that firmly believe that they should be able to log PIC. Maybe I should advise them to go for it. Less competition for me as they get booted out the door of an interview. Enjoy!!

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=92290

 

[CA1900]

Uhhh... you started a thread to send people to a thread?

 

[COOPERVANE]

Happens all the time

 

[peter185]

a completely wheels off thread

 

[tomcat]

I'm more embarrassed by the number of people who actually believe this wasn't smoking hot from the beginning.

 

[FatesPawn]

Please, an idiot asked a question and he got hammered for about 4 pages. Logging, acting, looking like PIC... who cares. When you show up for your interview, your logbook better be in order and match the training records that your company has to share. If some knucklehead wants to write down in his JEPPESEN PROFESSIONAL PILOT LOGBOOK that he was PIC, don't you think his stories in an interview may sound a bit.... off? He'll get busted.

-Fate

 

[Stifler's Mom]

The best description I ever heard about the Regionals Board was when somebody likened it to "The Kiddie Table" at Thanksgiving Dinner.

 

[AVRO_FO]

A captain told me once he thought it was like a Star Trek Convention but I like the kiddie table at Thanksgiving as well.

 

[labbats]

Save the neck for me Clark.

 

[AA717driver]

"...probably just nosin' through the trash." TC

 

[Jonny Sacko]

"..Up, there he got it up."....." It's best to just let him finish".

 

[SSDD]

It may have started out as flamebait, but its amazing the number who have no clue.

 

[Ty Webb]

Well, at least we know the Interviewers will like him . . . .

He won't be taking up much of their time. That ought to free 'em up for a quick smoke break and a trip to the coffee maker . . . . .


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[Amish RakeFight]

...well you know, I don't doubt there's probably a few uninformed folks who bought a CRJ type just so they can log PIC while acting as the designated SIC in an RJ. Heck they did it in a GA twin, why not in a twin turbine.

 

[Beetle007]

This issue comes down to two basic points.

1. The regs SPECIFICALLY allow you to log SIC in your logbook as PIC if you are type rated and the sole manipulator of the controls. It doesn't matter if it is part 121, 135, etc.

2. Airlines generally only consider PIC to be the time you were in command of the aircraft (i.e., Pilot In Command).

Both sides are correct. A good airline specifies on their application what they want you to log. As long as someone fills out the application/resume to the airlines satisfaction, who cares.

Why do some of you feel the need to name call and ridicule. Does it make you feel good to condescend your fellow pilots who are simply asking an honest question or voicing a legitimate opinion?

 

[737 Pylt]

Please stop by this regional thread to see what the future brings. A lively debate on whether or not a FO can log PIC in a 121 operation.

I'm embarassed by the number that firmly believe that they should be able to log PIC. Maybe I should advise them to go for it. Less competition for me as they get booted out the door of an interview. Enjoy!!

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=92290

Coopervane:
I can't name anytime where an f/o could log "PIC" time at a regional. Under the 121 regs, an IRO may log PIC time as long as he/she is the pilot in command. I don't keep a log book any more, but if I were, I wouldn't even log that time as most of the majors don't recoginize it, just who "signed" for the a/c.

737

 

[FatesPawn]

The guy was misinformed from the get-go.

The bottom line is you can put WHATEVER you want in your logbook. You can write a manifesto on the evils of airline management in your logbook. You can scribble, write with blue ink, and even crayon if you desire.

But, when the FAA says "sole-manipulator" and an airline application says "acted at aircraft commander" (or such verbage) you better have your ducks in a row if you really want that airline job. Airlines don't care what the regs allow, and the Regs don't care what Airlines require. It's that simple.

Now, back to logging my Flight Simulator 98 approaches.

-Fate

 

[Beetle007]

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[goahead]

Bullsh_it Beetle, put your dues in like everyone else

 

[AC560]

Bullsh_it Beetle, put your dues in like everyone else

He never made the point that it is wise to do, just that it is legal to do.

 

[MECH]

Every companies POI might have different take on the regs. But at my past and current airlines you could not log PIC while operating under 121 rules ,unless you had been obsevered by an FAA inspector or OEO check airman and completed your line check. Until that time you are not qualified to operate the aircraft as PIC. During UOE or IOE the check airman is the PIC. Anytime you fly part 91, all you need is a type to operate as PIC.

 

[Beetle007]

He never made the point that it is wise to do, just that it is legal to do.

Thanks. Ironically I didn't say anything at all. I simply posted a legal interpretation from the FAA.

I don't think it is wise to log it as PIC. In my post in the regional section I said that you should only log what you are comfortable expaining during an interview. I don't think many interviewers would be happy if they realized you were logging SIC as PIC. I say this simply because it is not an industry standard. Some airlines still don't let you count any PIC you earned while soloing as a student pilot.

 

[007]

OMG, please don't u guys start this too..... I came over here to escape that thread.

 

[goahead]

Beetle, I apologize, this thread just makes me so mad. I went back a reread your post. Everyone is always trying to get something quicker, hence the folks working for nothing at some regionals.

 

[TheRaven]

In the end, you can log Space Shuttle time if you go watch a launch from Titusville and F-18 time while you watch the Blue Angels perform......the question isn't what you put in your logbook it's what you say when someone calls BS in an interview. Most guys I know wouldnt imagine logging PIC while serving as FO...I'm guessing the thread was started by some newbie or the whole thing was flame bait