Regional/Commtuer Capt. DOH?

[LearLove]

Hey guys just the sake of having the info I'd like to get an idea of the most junior DOH of capts. at the regionals and associated pay rate (it dosent have to be exact to the day just ballpark month and dollar value. For example Allegheny would be as follows:

Junior capt DOH: dec1998/jan1999 at a rate of 45 and hour. note before concesions this was 49-50/hour.

I if you could, at airlines with more than one type aircraft please break it down by aircraft, for example Mesa would look like:

Beech DOH/pay
Dash DOH/pay
ERJ DOH/pay
CRJ DOH/pay
CRJ700 DOH/pay

I'm looking for the following airlines, Thanks guys.

Eagle - thanks DBacks - and I thought it was bad at ALG
ACA
SkyWest
Air Wiss - thanks beer&brauts
Great Lakes - thanks Cardnal - sorry I forgot you guys
Comair
ASA - thanks PROFLYER
Coex - thanks Paul McCartney
Commutair - thanks NEDude
Gulfstream
Mesa
Skyway - thanks thunderchief
Transtates
Pinnacle/Exp1
Mesaba
Big Sky
Horizon
Piedmont
PSA - thanks BDTII
Shuttle America
Chit Taco - thanks dav8or
Colgan
Cape Air (just year one thru five pay rate as everyone is PIC)
Mountain Air (F-27 capt only)
Air Net (lear capt only)

Again thanks guys.

 

[PROFLYER]

ASA:

EMB (DFW)/ 2-01/ 46-hr
ATR (ATL)/ 6/00/ 58-hr
CRJ-200 (DFW)/ 7/00/ 58-hr
CRJ-700 (ATL)/ 3/00/ 66-hr

 

[NEDude]

With Commutair it is a little misleading due to a major cutback in the summer of 2001. The most recent upgrade class, which is currently on IOE, has a DOH from 2/01 to 4/01. By June there will be captains with DOHs of 3/02 and 4/02, and by Aug there could be captains with DOHs of 1/03.

In your first year as a captain your pay is $30/hour with an 82.3 hour per month guarentee (76 hrs/bid - 13 bids per year). Pay increases $1 per year.

 

[LearLove]

"I've never felt so accepted in all my life. These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined. - Homer Simpson"

thats great - yeah, it dosen't ring any bells or anything does it?

Was that from the "stonecutter" episode? I love the part where he paints the building sky blue and the helo come and crashes into it. The hidden door on the highway was good too, a must for commuting in LGA.

 

[NEDude]

Yeah, its from the stonecutter episode. And yes it does ring a bell, I felt it very appropriate for an aviation board.

 

[Cardinal]

Great Lakes
B190, August-ish 2001, $27.19
E120, 1998-ish, $37.82

 

[Beer&Brauts]

Air Whiskey

These are all approx. Our seniority list doesn't list DOH, just order. The 328 will be gone in June so I didn't bother with it.
I can't even guess on the Bac jet (>6 yrs).

For the CRJ:
DEN 10/99 $64
ATL 6/00 $62
ORD 6/00 $62
Pay increases approx $2 for each year of longevity and $2 each August (month current contract became effective).

Denver will continue to be senior as there is little growth out west. We have about 12 ATL based captains who commute from DEN and maybe 3 ATL captains who live in ATL.

 

[DBacks]

Here's the info for Eagle. I don't have time to look up the pay-rates, but this is the base seniority info. Keep in mind that these DOH's are the most JUNIOR captains at the base. None of these include the "flowbacks".


LAX ERJ: 7/1989
DFW CRJ: 3/1991
DFW ERJ: 5/1991
ORD ERJ: 10/1993
LGA ERJ: 11/1993
BOS ERJ: 4/1994
DFW SF3: 3/1998
MIA ATR: 4/1998
LAX SF3: 7/1998
SJU ATR: 4/1999

Interesting to note: Most junior DFW CRJ F/O is a 3/2000 hire!

Pretty sad state of affairs over here.

 

[Thunderchief]

Midwest Connect

Formerly Skyway, next we'll be the prince symbol, but that's another story.

Most Junior B1900D Capt DOH is AUG 2000
3rd year CA pay is 33.51
Most Junior 328J Capt DOH is June or July 1999
5th year pay is 48.81

Management wants a 7% or more concession from those rates, ok whatever. Why don't you just kick me between the legs and get it over with.
Our PerDiem is abysmal, It's not really structured hourly and ends up being around 80cents an hour.

We also have about 3 months of cash left at the current bleed rate, I guess I shouldn't have let my CFI expire!

-Thunderchief

 

[jbDC9]

CalEx is almost as pathetic as Eagle in terms of being an FO forever. We only have 1 type, ERJ and most junior is 4/99 in EWR, about the same in IAH and CLE. It would be a lot lower if all these CAL flowbacks would go to the street where they belong instead of at the top of our seniority list.

Nice attitude, dork... let me guess, you were gung-ho on the flow through, couldn't wait to get that FO seat on the 737 after a coupla years. Yeaaa, we love the contractually agreed-to flow through! Can't wait to get to mainline!

Uh oh, downturn in the industry, what's that? Furloughs, whattaya mean? Dammit, I hate this contractually agreed-to flow through!

That seems to be the attitude I've heard on these boards from some EXJ types, when things were going well with lots of growth, the flow thru was a good thing... now, they hate it. Sorry guys, it's a cyclical industry, it can't always keep going up. If it makes you feel any better, you still have new jets coming and are still taking over mainline flying... so there's a warm, fuzzy feeling for ya.

 

[LearLove]

hey stick to the question, we still have many more companies to go. Thanks

 

[dav8or]

Chit Taco

Got some problem withChautauqua?

Chq 11/30/00

CAPTAIN 50-59 Seat Turbojet
54.05

CAPTAIN 37-49 Seat Turbojet
47.03

 

[Strikefinder]

Chautauqua

Most junior captain I saw on the most recent award list DOH was 1/11/01. There was no hiring between 9/01 and 10/02, and there are a lot of people who have been skipped over for captain spots; Some of them don't have the 2500 hours necessary to upgrade, from what I understand, and some enjoy the schedules of bidding high-up in base. There are all sorts of rumors of how much we'll end up expanding; I figure I'll either be captain by the end of the year or out of a job. Oh well.

 

[Sphincter Boy]

Nice attitude, dork... let me guess, you were gung-ho on the flow through, couldn't wait to get that FO seat on the 737 after a coupla years. Yeaaa, we love the contractually agreed-to flow through! Can't wait to get to mainline!

Uh oh, downturn in the industry, what's that? Furloughs, whattaya mean? Dammit, I hate this contractually agreed-to flow through!

That seems to be the attitude I've heard on these boards from some EXJ types, when things were going well with lots of growth, the flow thru was a good thing... now, they hate it. Sorry guys, it's a cyclical industry, it can't always keep going up. If it makes you feel any better, you still have new jets coming and are still taking over mainline flying... so there's a warm, fuzzy feeling for ya.

Nice attitude yourself. In no way did I come to XJT for the flow thru agreement. As a matter of fact, I didn't even know about the flow thru agreement till well after I had started working at Express. I think its funny how when times were good we could only hope at best to go to the bottom of your seniority list and was told DOH wasn't possible, but when it goes the other way, you off the street guys get DOH intigration with our list. Its also very funny that we have to interview with CAL to make sure we are fit to fly for your prestegious airline, but its ok to just come to Express without any interview for the OTS pilots from CAL. We need to make sure that the OTS guys are good to fly for our airline as well.

 

[LearLove]

hey quit it, before a giant hand comes thru your computer screen and smacks both of you silly.

Dav8or - No, no prob w/ Chit Taco, its just a name, I've got several good friends there (capts and FO's) and often chat with your guys in LGA and PHL.

Take Care

 

[BTDII]

PSA

Here the most junior Capt. has a Hire Date of 10/30/2000. This month he was down graded to FO for the reduced sched. but should go back to Capt. in a few weeks.

30-36 Seat Turboprop Aircraft with a 10/30/2000 hire date should put this individual at the 2-3year Capt. scale. Thats $41.19/hr. On 5/01/03 his rate on the same 2-3year Capt. scale goes to $42.01/hr.

If we had jets, (45-50 Seat Jet Aircraft), he would make $52.95/hr. And when he gets to the 3-4year Capt Scale on 10/30/2003, it would go to $58.55/hr.

Good Luck with the research.

 

[Saabslime]

At Mesaba:

Most junior Saab Captain ~ Nov 98 @ 46.87/hr

On the Avro ~ Jan - Mar 98 @ 64.20/hr

 

[halfmoon]

Just a ball park for Colgan,

SF340B CAP DOH 7/00 43/hr
BE1900 CAP DOH 5/02 34.5/hr aprox (however,colgan continually hires off the street captains into the beech, the most recent off the street captain was a few months ago at 1st yr pay i think, 33/hr).

 

[JTrain]

Atlantic Coast

CRJ: Most jr. DOH CA is 12/00.

FRJ: Most jr. DOH CA is Jan/Feb 01

J41: Most jr. DOH CA is April 02
*Note in the J41 it was pretty fluky that CA fell to people w/ April 02 DOH. A lot of J41 FOs had given up on bidding J41 CA because the co. told us J41 was going away. Consequently they bid for CRJ FO (approx a $12-13 raise over J41 FO pay) only to be withheld and subsequently locked into their CRJ FO bid when a surprising J41 CA bid came out in the fall of 02. Thus, many of the jr. most J41 CAs will end up going to the right seat of the CRJ.

*Also note that in all three fleet types, their are plenty of FOs who could have held CA but passed on it for various reasons. Eg: their are plenty of CRJ/FRJ FOs with DOH from early/mid/late 2000 onwards who have more seniority than the jr. most CA in the fleet but elected not to upgrade for various reasons. If we ever do upgrade people (which will not happen for a long long long time I suspect) it will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

*The other 'X' factor in the Atlantic Coast bidding situation is the senior J41 CAs and whether they will elect to go CRJ or FRJ once/if the J41 is retired.

JT

 

[dondk]

Pinnacle

Junior Captain (street Captain) is June/July 2001 at a current rate of $56.81

Now we have some people who got on board as an FO and upgraded in about 8 months, they will have an approx DOH of spring/summer of '01 as well.

The difference (if any) is the street Captains will still be reserve's for about another year or more.